Human Essence is Pattern!

coberst

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Human Essence is Pattern!

Everything human is part emotion and part reason. Draw a line connecting emotion on one end and reason on the other end. All domains of knowledge lie somewhere between these two end points; with music being the end of the line at emotion and mathematics being at the end of the line at reason.

The characteristic that is the essence of music and math is pattern. The human essence is pattern. Beauty is pattern. Meaning is pattern. Perception is pattern. Love is pattern.

When I hike in the mountains, occasionally I am stopped dead in my tracks with my blood running cold; I have spotted a pattern in the trees that frightens me instinctively.

I hear music that drives me into melancholy or happiness or dread, or etc.

I suddenly understand something that I have pondered for months or years and I feel the ecstasy of understanding. I have created meaning. I have created a pattern that both reason and emotion call good.

The sign of correctness in physics theory is beauty of pattern. Ocam’s razor cuts loose all that is not essential to the pattern. The beauty of the pattern discovered in Quantum Electro Dynamics by Feynman as displayed in his book “QED” is astounding to me. I think that this book displays the essence of understanding and of the pattern within understanding. Kuhn’s theory about paradigms is an attempt to display the pattern in normal science.

The foundation of both music and math is pattern, one affects us primarily through emotion the other primarily through reason but both do so through some proper combination of pattern.

Nature is the Mother of all patterns. Is there any more obvious pattern than DNA? Only after Crick and Watson found the pattern did they understand DNA.

What do you think about them apples? Have I lost my pattern?
 
For an excellent example of how to write like you try to but so that it carries meaning and coherency, see Is There Room for the Soul? Jay Tolson US News and World Report p.57+ Oct. 23,2006
 
Ok, so there are patterns everywhere and humans are usually quite good at recognising them, so good that they even tend to find them where they are not. Recognising patterns is essential (not only) for humans.

Is there some point you are making? Some great unifying theory of "the pattern" that explains both the arrangement of threads in my shirt and quantum electrodynamics?

Curiously yours

Shevek
 
Shevek-72 said:
Ok, so there are patterns everywhere and humans are usually quite good at recognising them, so good that they even tend to find them where they are not. Recognising patterns is essential (not only) for humans.

Is there some point you are making? Some great unifying theory of "the pattern" that explains both the arrangement of threads in my shirt and quantum electrodynamics?

Curiously yours

Shevek
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You are a tuff audiance. I just had this inspiration in the last twelve hours and I consider it to be unique and far reaching and you ask me what my point might be. It is my eureka moment, that is very rare. My point is contained in the title of this post and the text was an aim to justify that title. Yours is like the question "other than that Mrs Lincoln what did you think of the play?"
 
coberst said:
You are a tuff audiance. I just had this inspiration in the last twelve hours and I consider it to be unique and far reaching and you ask me what my point might be. It is my eureka moment, that is very rare. My point is contained in the title of this post and the text was an aim to justify that title. Yours is like the question "other than that Mrs Lincoln what did you think of the play?"
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Wake and bake?

Planets and stars are spherical (more or less). That's a pattern. Are they alive?
 
I think you spiralled out of control. Like me you should have a regular pattern of medication and keep off the good stuff.

We seem to be hard-wired to find patterns in data, helps us survive and as Shevek pointed out we find them even when the data is random.

What about the mathematical patterns of music? Where do thry go on this line?
 
coberst said:
You are a tuff audiance. I just had this inspiration in the last twelve hours and I consider it to be unique and far reaching and you ask me what my point might be. It is my eureka moment, that is very rare. My point is contained in the title of this post and the text was an aim to justify that title. Yours is like the question "other than that Mrs Lincoln what did you think of the play?"
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It's the "one man's trash, another man's treasure" here, and usually Philosophy is trash for many of our posters.

In my opinion your eureka moment is a treasure. I say that with a bias. My bias in that I came to understand the same some years ago with the help of Bertrand Russell and later Buddhist Philosophy. It is far reaching.
To some of our well educated posters, such as DrKitten, it's at base old ground and almost tautological. To our not so savvy posters it doesn't make any sense. But carry on! That line of thought is a very interesting and life attitude changing journey.

The pearls you discover may not be valued here, but you will find your audience somewhere who can string them together.

Do try to modify your writing style. The "inkfish" puts off a lot a readers.
Myself, when I don't have a target person or audience I'm writing stuff toward, it tends to get inkfishy and boring. So address yourself to a person or persons.

["Inkfish" isn't quite the word I want. I mean the dry academic discourse.]
 
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coberst said:
Yours is like the question "other than that Mrs Lincoln what did you think of the play?"
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I admit that as a non-american non-native english speaker it took me some time to figure out what you meant by this. Well, I agree, you are right, that's like what I'm asking. But I'm asking it because you failed to show any evidence of the corpse of a dead president lying around somewhere.

You are stating the obvious and pepper it up with some important sounding ("essence") and ill defined ("poop is pattern") language, as if there's some deeper truth in it.

Sorry, I'm not impressed.
 
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Mr Clingford said:
I think you spiralled out of control. Like me you should have a regular pattern of medication and keep off the good stuff.

We seem to be hard-wired to find patterns in data, helps us survive and as Shevek pointed out we find them even when the data is random.

What about the mathematical patterns of music? Where do thry go on this line?
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As I said in the OP "The characteristic that is the essence of music and math is pattern."
 
Hyparxis

As the saying goes 'you cannot pease everyone so you might as well please yourself'. Some would say my statement is boring and known to all and the other would say you use too any highfaulatin words.
 
coberst said:
Hyparxis

As the saying goes 'you cannot pease everyone so you might as well please yourself'. Some would say my statement is boring and known to all and the other would say you use too any highfaulatin words.
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Basically you are pointing out that there is order in the universe. No offence but that's not much of a eureka moment.

This just in: Experts say Pope Catholic.
 
coberst said:
Hyparxis

As the saying goes 'you cannot pease everyone so you might as well please yourself'. Some would say my statement is boring and known to all and the other would say you use too any highfaulatin words.
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Most of the readers aren't getting your point anyway, and trying to spell it out would make a way too long post.

A simplistic example:

In roughly a period of seven years most all the cells in a human body (except in some areas of the brain) are replaced. The personality the persists through all these exchanges isn't a persistent lump substance but a pattern.

Imagine that all you experience is like this: like a moving shadow. There is no substance that relocates but a constantly replicated pattern.

But this comes out of Philosophy 101, so it's not some startling new idea. It goes back to the Greek Philosopher Heraclitus and the the Buddhist Mahayana schools. But it was startling to me when I began to look at things that way.

And yes, that's right, it's a way of seeing. it's a piece of Philosophy.
Is an electron a persistent piece of stuff or an energy pattern? Opinions will vary, and this very much a matter of opinion.
 
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Well pattern isn't "all" but the human brain, well all brains, user stimulus. It makes sense that advancing that further requires detecting patterns in nature, as a single instance of some stimulus may not always require the same response, so finding the right combination, or pattern is useful. Music, or our ability to create and understand it, is a nice side effect.

Your eureka moment, like many before this, isn't news, but more than that, it isn't an accurate description of all of reality. At best it only describes a lot of elements of it, but "existance" is not "pattern incarnate".
 
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