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How to best troubleshoot "ghost" activity

Slypork

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I hope someone can help me to find a legitimate, honest organization to investigate unusual events at my friends’ house. They are thinking “paranormal”, I’m thinking “just haven’t found a rational explanation yet.” Either way, I’d like to have a reputable group check it out before my friend calls Ghostbusters® (or whatever scam artists are ghost hunting today).

First a little background on the area: our subdivision is less than 10 years old and is located in former farm fields southwest of Chicago. The ground was leveled and new soil trucked in and graded. They had the house built and have been the only owners. They were one of the first families to move in to the subdivision. Their house backs up on some trees and more plowed fields plus high tension power lines are running behind them a few hundred yards away. I’m including this info because I believe something electrical is causing their occurrences.

Now the “events”. All of them happen in kitchen which is located in the back of the house (closer to the power lines):
1. Empty vase on counter slid about 12 inches. Checked the vase and counter and ensured that both were complete dry so condensation was not a cause.
2. A glass “flew” off the counter but didn’t break when it hit the opposite wall. When she picked up the glass and examined it she did not find any chips, breaks, fractures or scratches on it. She put the glass in the sink and walked away. When she came back to the sink and picked up the glass to examine it again, it broke in her hand but the breaks were in “U” shapes on opposite sides of the glass rim. The rest of the glass remained OK.
3. Ice cubes “shoot out” of the refrigerator ice cube dispenser. They don’t just fall out like when the dispenser lever is pressed but actually “shoot” across the room.
4. Her husband put a spoon down on the counter. While his back was turned he heard a scraping sound. When he turned back he saw that the spoon was pointing in the opposite direction.
5. Since the house was built they have been though four dishwashers. Each one just stops working for no reason (motor is not burned out, wiring is OK, lights come on, etc, but they just don’t work).
6. During a recent strong thunderstorm the lights went out in the kitchen and the adjoining family room (the rest of the house lights stayed on). The odd thing was that the TV in the family room was still working (it is on the same circuit breaker as the lamp) and the clock on the microwave oven in the kitchen was still working (it is on the same circuit as the kitchen lights). Her dogs (which had been laying by her feet because of the thunder) started growling and barking and then ran upstairs. When she flipped the switch to turn on the kitchen lights they would not turn on. She said she noticed a “dark area” in the air in the kitchen which she described as a “shadow”. She said she yelled out in frustration that she was “tired of this BS” and the lights just turned on by themselves. The dogs would not come down for almost an hour.

I will admit that I have never seen any of this activity but she has always been a stable, rational person. Her husband is a down-to-earth, no-nonsense guy and has seen these things. Her youngest son (14 years old) says he has seen stuff but doesn’t like to talk about it. Her sister had never seen anything when she visited but said she always gets “chills” when she is in the kitchen.

I know this all sounds like a load of crap or something from an episode of Biography Channel’s “My Ghost Story”. I would just like to see if anyone can recommend an honest logical group in the Chicago area that could help us figure out why their house is having these things happen. Thank you.
 
First of all, welcome.

Second, was your subdivision built on top of an old native American burial ground?

;)

Seriously, if the family is willing to let people in the house to investigate things, you might try contacting a local skeptics group, such as the Chicago Skeptics (http://www.meetup.com/Chicago-Skeptics/).

ETA: They have an official website too: http://chicagoskeptics.net/
 
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It's the 14 year old practicing his magic. Buy him an X box, problem solved.

And by the way, nothing happens for "no reason" where appliance repair is concerned. Electric power lines don't move items in the kitchen.
 
First of all, welcome.

Second, was your subdivision built on top of an old native American burial ground?

;)

Seriously, if the family is willing to let people in the house to investigate things, you might try contacting a local skeptics group, such as the Chicago Skeptics (http://www.meetup.com/Chicago-Skeptics/).
Believe me, we told them to keep the kids away from the TV and not get clown dolls!

Seriously, though, that Skeptic group might be the right thing. Any other suggestions would be great.

Also, although I dont' believe those ghost shows, they keep talking about some kinds of elctromagnetic meters they use to detect "ghosts". Is there a real meter we can use that would show if there were any electromagnetic issues in the kitchen and, if so, what is it called? My brother-in-law is an electrician and probably either has the equipment or could get his hands on it. If we find something he could either fix the wiring or put in some line shielding (he did that for my phone line when I kept picking up the local Mexican radio station).
 
There is no such thing as a ghost, so it is unlikely that there is a device to detect something that does not exist. Ghost shows are made to make money. The people involved have no idea what "electromagnetic" even means.

Installing an RF filter on a phone line is a far cry from preventing a kid or a wife from throwing ice cubes across the room, and blaming it on ghosts.

This family is either:

1. Having a good joke at your expense or
2. Dysfunctional to the point of trying to drive each other nuts
 
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It's the 14 year old practicing his magic. Buy him an X box, problem solved.

And by the way, nothing happens for "no reason" where appliance repair is concerned. Electric power lines don't move items in the kitchen.
Nice thought but he's more of a PS3 fan. ;)

I'm sure there is a logical reason why the dishwashers stop working but we can't figure it out. The first one was installed by the guilder when the house was built. It stopped working after almost 1 years so was still under warranty. Repair guy came out, took it apart and couldn't find anything wrong with it (motor looked OK, wiring was OK, etc). Replacement diswasher was put in. It lasted about 2 years then stopped working (lights were on but it wouldn't run). We gave them our extra dishwasher (the one that came with the house but we had ordered one to go with our other appliances). That worked for about 2 years. They bought a new one. That has lasted about 4 years. Other appliances in kitchen have been there since the beginning and are OK. Nothing else on the diswasher's circuit have had any problems. I hope we can figure out what the heck is going on.
 
There is no such thing as a ghost, so it is unlikely that there is a device to detect something that does not exist. Ghost shows are made to make money. The people involved have no idea what "electromagnetic" even means.


Agree 100%--I wouldn't try to learn how to properly investigate unexplained phenomena by watching ghost shows. For a better approach, check out this book (and the free PDF).

OP: I added the Chicago Skeptics site to my earlier post but in case you missed it: http://chicagoskeptics.net/
 
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Nice thought but he's more of a PS3 fan. ;)

I'm sure there is a logical reason why the dishwashers stop working but we can't figure it out. The first one was installed by the guilder when the house was built. It stopped working after almost 1 years so was still under warranty. Repair guy came out, took it apart and couldn't find anything wrong with it (motor looked OK, wiring was OK, etc). Replacement diswasher was put in. It lasted about 2 years then stopped working (lights were on but it wouldn't run). We gave them our extra dishwasher (the one that came with the house but we had ordered one to go with our other appliances). That worked for about 2 years. They bought a new one. That has lasted about 4 years. Other appliances in kitchen have been there since the beginning and are OK. Nothing else on the diswasher's circuit have had any problems. I hope we can figure out what the heck is going on.

Well there is a device that can diagnose a problem with a dishwasher. It's called a DVM, digital volt meter. It is used in conjunction with a skilled repairman who understands how the dishwasher works, and does not assume ghost like causes from the get go.

You seem to be making a lot of assumptions that have no bearing on actually repairing an electrical device. Things break, appliances fail. This is not unusual, but to have that many fail is just bad luck. Again, there is always a reason why a failure occurs. It just depends on whether a particular repairman is clever enough to figure it out. "Motor looks ok" means nothing.
 
As for the dishwashers, maybe they were just poorly made machines, or the electrician is missing something that is causing their dysfunction.
 
There is no such thing as a ghost, so it is unlikely that there is a device to detect something that does not exist. Ghost shows are made to make money. The people involved have no idea what "electromagnetic" even means.

Installing an RF filter on a phone line is a far cry from preventing a kid or a wife from throwing ice cubes across the room, and blaming it on ghosts.

This family is either:

1. Having a good joke at your expense or
2. Dysfunctional to the point of trying to drive each other nuts
You know there is no such thing as ghosts and I know there is no such thing as ghosts, but I need to find an explanation form them so THEY can understand there is no such thing as ghosts.

There has to be something that can measure the strength of electromagnetic fields, such as those given off by power lines. I know the ghost shows are full of bunk but real world electricians and scientists must have something.
 
You know there is no such thing as ghosts and I know there is no such thing as ghosts, but I need to find an explanation form them so THEY can understand there is no such thing as ghosts.

There has to be something that can measure the strength of electromagnetic fields, such as those given off by power lines. I know the ghost shows are full of bunk but real world electricians and scientists must have something.

Are there any other homes that are close to those power lines? Perhaps you could see if there is any "activity" in those homes.
 
Thanks, folks. I appreciate the assistance.

Didn't mean to fixate on the dishwasher, but since they had issues with their lights I was just trying to say that maybe there was an electrical component. I'm gonna suggest to her that she contact the Chicago Skeptics and see if they can help her figure out her issues. I'll let you know if/when she contacts them and what they find.
 
There has to be something that can measure the strength of electromagnetic fields, such as those given off by power lines. I know the ghost shows are full of bunk but real world electricians and scientists must have something.

There are meters for detecting 60 Hz RF fields. I'm not sure where you would buy one, I would call the power company to have that checked.
 
Are there any other homes that are close to those power lines? Perhaps you could see if there is any "activity" in those homes.
Yeah, lots of houses along the line but none of them are having problems. Hers was the first one built on that side of the street.
 
I need to find an explanation form them so THEY can understand there is no such thing as ghosts.
You won't find one. We're well into confirmation bias territory here - no matter how much you argue or debunk there'll always be that one time that spooky thing happened that even you can't explain, smart guy.

The only thing I've heard of working is getting the "victim" to try to prove the existence of their ghosts. When they inevitably can't, occasionally they realize it's because ghosts don't exist.

Point them at the million dollar prize; all they gotta do is demonstrate Casper reliably.
 
You know there is no such thing as ghosts and I know there is no such thing as ghosts, but I need to find an explanation form them so THEY can understand there is no such thing as ghosts.
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I understand, but the person who states that ice cubes flew across the room, or a glass flew across the room knows that it did not happen, and that he/she is lying, unless it was propelled by a magic trick string. In your position I would concentrate on trying to figure out that scenario, rather than going along with their fantasies.
 
There is nothing known to physics that could cause a glass to fly across a room or a vase to move without agency (well, there is, but you know what I mean). So the choice isn't one of rationalisation of the phenomena, it's making a choice between a joke, a hoax, delusion or mental illness. For obvious reasons I can't be of more help.
 
I tend to agree with the opinion that once people have a paranormal explanation in mind, they do tend to develop runaway confirmation bias- so that as trivial an event as a spinning teaspoon is interpreted in those terms, instead of being simply chuckled over.

The fact lights and power appliances share a common breaker seems odd to me. I certainly think having the electrics checked out would be a good idea. If nothing else, it might eliminate your suspicions, leaving you more open minded about ghosts.
(Sorry, that was irony).

Most people who resort to paranormal explanations of trivial phenomena , frankly, have other problems. Often psychological or neurological problems. There is also the issue of teenagers, who do stupid stuff for no reason they even understand themselves , then deny it totally. Hard to accuse friends of lying.

You can ask them to document everything they think odd. Take photos, video, sound recordings. Sometimes, when people see how little actually appears in such logs and how trivial it seems, they start to feel they might be premature in thinking there's something inexplicable.

Be cautious though. You are unlikely to make friends by telling folk they are delusional- and your desire to help your friends can lead you to being drawn into their delusion. Tread carefully.
 

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