Re: Re: Re: Re: How Do You Build A Web Page?
CFLarsen said:
Sure - and he gets a site that looks like ◊◊◊◊, he's not happy with it, and it has cost him a lot of time.
Possible. All the links I gave use e107 and they can look first. It looks OK *"out of the box".
CFLarsen said:
There are other considerations that mere technological ones: It is not that easy to design a site that works: Technologically, design-wise and usability-wise.
100% agree. Most of those problems are gone. As above, it works *"out of the box". All functions are there, working, compatible and integrated. That work is done for you.
CFLarsen said:
It depends on the purpose of the site.
Again, agreed. I focused on lack of any coding ability and wanting a forum. Mine was a solution. Not the only one.
CFLarsen said:
To you, it's a "little more". You've obviously tried a lot of this before, but he hasn't.
Of course. But I remember when I was new to it all and there was nothing like this around. What would have taken me 100s of hours in the past is now much easier. I believe within the capacity of most.
CFLarsen said:
And FTP is probably what he will use - but not at this point. Right now, he needs to determine how much effort he will spend on this, and look at what content he will supply.
Starting with the technology is a huge mistake: One should start with pen and paper, and not installing some program.
You speak only of technology - that's where I see the problem. I turn it around and look at content first. Then information architecture. Then design. Then technology.
All good advice and a professional approach. If I was paying you I would expect nothing less (and considerably more).
However, I'm assuming by the very fact that they are here, and not paying a professional, that they are willing to have a go themselves.
Discounting the technology is a mistake in some circumstances. The technology of e107 removes the need for content and design ahead. That is done for you, and changes can be easily made "on the hoof" as and when desired. It's not a corporate web-page from what we know (although very easy to make it look like one) and has no need to be tied to professional methodology.
Finally, designing a website on paper is
very hard without a good knowledge of how it all interacts and functions. I suspect that you are skilled at it as you have done it before. For beginners it is often better to throw up a basic idea and play with it. e107 gives a very sophisticated basic idea and playing with it (adding, removing, moving and redesigning) is really simple.
CFLarsen said:
That looks like ◊◊◊◊, yes.
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I might, if I get the time.
Looks are a matter of opinion. The e107 sites I posted look fine to me, but not the best at using their own product. They try to showcase the functions available and it does make them look a bit 'busy'.
It is bugging me a bit arguing with you as most of your points are very valid and should not be discounted. However, your pitch is better suited to a commercial environment not a couple of guys having a go for themselves on someone’s home PC.
As you all have guessed, I'm a big fan of e107. It took me a long time to find it and trying many others that were quite poor. Not only do I like the product, I love the ethos behind it as a free product (the developer even lets you remove his copyright notice) and association with GNU.
Finally. You seem to know your stuff. You have discounted my ideas as you feel them too complex. You may be right.
My assumptions are:
They want to have a go themselves.
They want a forum.
They have concerns about security.
It's a fan site.
No coding.
What is your solution?
I promise to stay quiet as long as you don't go corporate methodology on us.
*Out of the box - There is no box. It's a download. Their words, not mine.
