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House Introduces National ID

merphie

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(1) The government database is created by section 2173 of HR 10, a bill introduced by House Speaker Dennis Hastert. It would allow airline passengers to be screened against lists containing "all appropriate records." What would be "appropriate" would be within the exclusive discretion of the bureaucrats, but could include medical records, confidential financial records, and library records.

(2) The driver's license standards are in section 3052. They would allow the federal government to set standards as high as desired to determine who may or may not obtain a driver's license. But, increasingly, you also need it to travel on any form of transportation (airplane, bus, train, car), to get a job, to open a checking account, to cash a check, to check into a hotel, to rent a car, or to purchase cigarettes or alcohol. If the federal government can set standards so high as to deny you a driver's license or photo ID, it has effectively turned you into a non-person.

(3) Section 2142 would allow the U.S. attorney general to promulgate any regulations he desires concerning (a) what employers must submit the names and fingerprints of all employment applicants to the FBI, (b) what standards the government will use in approving or disapproving the employment applicants, and (c) whether or not the government's "disapproval" will prevent the applicant from being hired. There is nothing in section 2142 which would prohibit an attorney general from (d) requiring the resumes and fingerprints of every employment applicant in the country, (e) disapproving them on the basis of any factor he viewed as not being politically correct, and (f) prohibiting any employer from hiring an applicant thus blacklisted.
 
What's the card supposed to be for? I'm guessing it's meant to "Stop Terrorists" in some nebulous, undefined way; a bit like the proposed ID card in the UK. But if that's the case, what's the reason for including
medical records, confidential financial records, and library records

If it's not to do with terrorism, what's the justification? I'm surprised that the freedom-loving Americans aren't up in arms (You've already got them, you just need to get them up, after all :D )
 
Re: Re: House Introduces National ID

richardm said:
What's the card supposed to be for? I'm guessing it's meant to "Stop Terrorists" in some nebulous, undefined way; a bit like the proposed ID card in the UK. But if that's the case, what's the reason for including

If it's not to do with terrorism, what's the justification? I'm surprised that the freedom-loving Americans aren't up in arms (You've already got them, you just need to get them up, after all :D )

I think it's more of what is possible under the law. There's no protection in the law to prevent these things. It's a bill introduced under some of the recomendations of the 9/11.
 
Lets see...States give away drivers licenses and Social Security cards to illegal immigrants. So the solution is to create a national ID, which the States will give away to illegal immigrants????
 
Waste of time. I had a fake ID when I was 17. Methinks terrorists might be able to get their hands on fake ID's too!?!?!?!

What crazy scenerio do they imagine?

Terrorist; "Id like to by a plane ticket please"
Clerk; "Sure thing. May I see your ID?"
Terrorist: "Drat!!! You got me! My terror plans are foiled!"
 
Sigh. Yet another piece of crap to carry around.

I still can't believe the Social Security card, the oh-so-important-for-your-entire-life card, is unlaminated paper with no picture on it.
 
...looking in the Constitution for anything that gives the Federal government the power to run a national ID card....hmmmm, nothing in Article I Section 8, must be in an amendment....no, I don't see anything. Can anyone help me?
 
shanek said:
...looking in the Constitution for anything that gives the Federal government the power to run a national ID card....hmmmm, nothing in Article I Section 8, must be in an amendment....no, I don't see anything. Can anyone help me?

It's right after the paragraph that establishes the FCC and gives it the power to regulate speech content on television.
 
I'm confused by the trend this topic is taking. There is nothing in the opening post about a national ID card, so far as I can see.


1) is about creating a database
2) is about standards for drivers license
3) is about providing data to the fbi about employees.
 
I find myself flip-flopping on this issue like John Kerry. Well, not quite like John Kerry, since I'll actually admit simply don't know if it's a good idea or not.

It's the old debate: is this a reasonable restriction of civil liberties in exchange for greater national security or other public purpose?

Will it stop terrorists from hijacking plane? Unlikely. Will it make life a little more difficult for them? Probably.

Will it stop illegal aliens from getting into the country? Unlikely. Will it make it more difficult for them to get public benefits that I have to pay for? Probably.

Are there other risks associated with it? Probably.
Are there other benefits? Probably.
Is it a black-and-white issue? No.

Is it worth it? I dunno. Persuade me.
 
If/when the next major terrorism attack occurs on US soil, I predict a biometric ID card will happen faster than you can boil an egg.

I will consider it a tragic consequence. Maybe even a neccesary one.

I only hope it's voluntary -- that the card is required to get on an airplane, and to access other special places/venues, but that citizens not be required by law to have one.
 
New cards are important. This way we can easily ID the terrorists bodies after their next successful attack.

Werent the 911 all legal anyway? They wouldve had all their papers in check.
 

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