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Horrific Parents Redux

WildCat

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Here we go again:
An 11-year-old girl's parents tied her up in the garage, starved the child and beat her with an umbrella until she died during the Thanksgiving holiday, police said.
Why, oh why do people like this have children? It's crimes like this that makes bringing back torture seem like the right thing to do. (No, I'm not advocating that, just venting some frustration)
 
WildCat said:

Why, oh why do people like this have children? It's crimes like this that makes bringing back torture seem like the right thing to do. (No, I'm not advocating that, just venting some frustration)

Because any idiot is allowed to breed indiscriminately. In fact here in the UK they get help with free IVF to enable every woman to exercise "her right to have a child". I'm all for IVF - I just don't want to pay for it (or at least I should be allowed to spend a corresponding amount of the Nationa Health Service's money on something I want - like a plasma TV).

Because it's impossible (and undesirable) for the government to interfere in every aspect of a child's life. Because a good extended family and caring community would spot this kind of thing but that 's not the way our society works.

Because there are some nutters out there and (sadly) we cannot all be protected all the time.
 
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The Don said:


Because any idiot is allowed to breed indiscriminately. In fact here in the UK they get help with free IVF to enable every woman to exercise "her right to have a child". I'm all for IVF - I just don't want to pay for it (or at least I should be allowed to spend a corresponding amount of the Nationa Health Service's money on something I want - like a plasma TV).

Without meaning to disagree with you (because I don't), there's an interesting discussion about this at Crooked Timber (http://www.crookedtimber.org/archives/000913.html ). The article starts talking about the "non-voluntariness of having children" and quotes:

"I don’t think it is a choice to have kids or not for most people (though not everybody). Making babies is what we do. Having kids was not a choice for me or my husband. When and how many, yes. But there was no question that we needed kids in our lives. Just as one’s sexuality can’t be chosen, having kids isn’t a choice either. Being a parent is part of who I am."

Although how you feel you "need a child to make you complete" and then beat it up in the garage is just inconceivable.
 
The issue of domestic violence is a very comp,lex one, and when it comes to children , no one stets out to abuse them. (I doubt that was the intention of the parents when they first had a child.)

But perpetrators have a wide variety of excuses for what they do, most of them are based on a narcissistic personality or a paranoid personality. There is nothing like being raised in an abusive family that teaches punishment is love.

The biggest problem is that DV is a crime between individuals, so while societal intervention helps reduce the aggravating factors of DV, it does not make DV go away.

The two issues I try to remeber (out of about ten) are that

DV is a crime of tolerance, the victims do not recognise the violence, the people around the victims do not recognise the violence, no one sees the violence because they are raised to tolerate it.
To counter this we must be aware that violence is a continuos process, it starts with hard looks and glares, through subtle put downs,name calling, yelling, restraining, hitting and killing. It is all violence but people tolerate the lower end and won't even call it violence until the hitting begins.

DV is a crime of privacy, there are so many reasons that it is private, first off perpetratos often go to great lengths to keep it private, then there is the tolerance and cultural prejudice against interfering in other people lives.
To counter this , as individuals we must be aware of the subtle signs of violence, we can offer a link to help someone. But you must always be careful, your well meaning intervention could make things much worse for the victim,

whenever you see children being hit, call your child protetive services, when a child discloses to you, do not tell them it is normal and to tolerate it.

Peace and safety to all....
 
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Matabiri said:

"I don’t think it is a choice to have kids or not for most people (though not everybody). Making babies is what we do. Having kids was not a choice for me or my husband. When and how many, yes. But there was no question that we needed kids in our lives. Just as one’s sexuality can’t be chosen, having kids isn’t a choice either. Being a parent is part of who I am."

Sure being a parent is part of who you are. You had kids!!!

Had you decided (which is to say, made the CHOICE) not to have kids, being a parent would be absent from your makeup.
 

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