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Homeopathy to the battle.

MRC_Hans said:
Seems some homeopaths are trying to rally a counterattack. They want to counter the debunking efforts with.... no, not proof, but by hiring a propagandist.
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Could it be because........ Homeopathy doesn't work. :eek:
 
One other issue: don't ever forget that quite a lot of this Big Papa Medicine is all about the Old Boy's Club--and homeopathy is predominately practiced by and for women.
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How sad. :( And I mean in all ways.
 
Also, you idiots, if you want people to take you seriously, you're going to need to do real double-blind studies. The credibility of science isn't just because they use words that are too big for your little reptilian brain, it's because of the method by which they derive truth. Arrrgh! #$%FDSGE345
 
Okay, last thing:

http://www.homeopathyhome.com/ultimate/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=000395

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REPORTER: Hello everyone. My name is John Fossil and we are here today with The Amazing Dandy, who will debunk some popular myths. Go ahead, Dandy, amaze us.

DANDY: I am going to prove once and for all that television is just a myth sold to a gullible public.

FOSSIL: How so?

DANDY: It just defies common sense. There is absolutely no way to cram many tiny people into a box the size of a TV. Besides, if the gunfights people think they are watching were really happening, everyone sitting in front of their TV sets would have been shot by now.
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Wow. I mean, it's just not funny. I say this not as a skeptic, but as a connoisseur of comedy. Ugh.
 
I don't suppose there is the slightest chance any of them will come over here and explain homeopathy to us. No they have a cosy little board where only nice homeopaths are allowed and the real world is excluded. Fiction.
 
Well, I invited them, today on hpathy (it is slightly defunct at the moment, so don't try to post there). But don't hold your breath.........

Hans
 
I can't decide how we should respond. Should we use the homeopaths method and fling as much mud as possible in the hope that some of it sticks or should we use my prefered method of logicaly and systematicly shreading their arguments?
 
Don't be daft, please. Of course we should use sensible arguments, otherewise, why fight them?

And don't worry about them taking over. You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time. Homeopathy is self-limiting... simple Darwinism.

Hans
 
note to self in future include smilies.

My post was meant to be a way of pointing out the difference in apraoches the "sides" seem to take
 
One other issue: don't ever forget that quite a lot of this Big Papa Medicine is all about the Old Boy's Club--and homeopathy is predominately practiced by and for women.
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I'm not sure where you got that from, Sue, but it doesn't square with my peception. There are about eight veterinary homoeopaths I'm having a sort of running war with, and they're all male. A "Trixie Williams" whom I assume is female has crawled out of the woodwork to join them, and she is quite spectacularly wet (and just this week she has jumped on the acupuncture bandwagon as well, I expect radionics an minute now), but by and large they're a pretty butch bunch.

I think the H'pathy forum is back up, 'cos when I went looking for this little idea I found it OK. It's back to what Hans said about getting their point over by proving they're right rather than propaganda and PR. This is an idea proposed by one of their resident sceptics (female, if that's relevant):
Find 20 or 30 homeopaths, people who are confident of their own ability to "prove" a remedy of their choice, and recognise whether the proving effect is happening or not. Let each of them choose their own remedy, potency (over 12C) and dose regimen. Prepare the remedies according to their instructions. However, only half of them get the actual remedies, the other half get an identical placebo made from the appropriate stock solvent. Each of them has, say, a month (two months? - I suppose you have to call time at some point, that’s all) to come back and say which they got.
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The only homoeopath who has responded ducked the idea of participating but didn't rubbish the test in principle.

Hell, if they could do that, without cheating, I'd be converted myself!!!

Wouldn't that be quicker and cheaper and about a zillion times more effective than hiring Saatchi and Saatchi?

Rolfe.
 
Rolfe,

The only homoeopath who has responded ducked the idea of participating but didn't rubbish the test in principle.
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This is my biggest 'issue' with virtually any paranormal claim, but especially with homoeopathy - why don't the honest, well-meaning, thoughtful, intelligent practisioners (assuming such exist) do any (even if only semi-formal) testing? Isn't this a necessary and sensible first step to separate yourself from the company of potential frauds and deluded fools that fill the local 3 day "New Age Festival"?

If I honestly and truly believe I can run 100 metres in 10 seconds, and I want to "go public" with this claim, then surely the first thing I do is head out to a running track with a mate and a stop watch and 'double-check' for myself? Of course, testing myself doesn't mean I've proven it beyond doubt, but at least it gives me something to bring to the table once the discussion gets serious.
 
geni said:
note to self in future include smilies.

My post was meant to be a way of pointing out the difference in apraoches the "sides" seem to take
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Sorry, my fault. It was getting late. :o ;) :p

Hans
 
LOL!

Another suggestion:
How about convincing someone to produce a movie about Hahnemann? What a story it is! Sounds like big screen material to me. Or Amy Lansky's book in film? There are so many to chose from. Small, low budget film productions have been successful.
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Yes Hahnemann and:

http://www.geocities.com/healthbase/chiro-position-statement.html

D.D. Palmer
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A really nice documentary on sCAMmers and how they fooled people into thinking they could cure them without even knowing how the body works.

Har har!
 
Loki said:
This is my biggest 'issue' with virtually any paranormal claim, but especially with homoeopathy - why don't the honest, well-meaning, thoughtful, intelligent practisioners (assuming such exist) do any (even if only semi-formal) testing?
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I'm still looking for the honest, well-meaning etc.

By the time anyone has gone any distance into homoeopathy as a practitioner, the good old cognitive dissonance seems to kick in. They have so much invested in the world-view, particularly that they're doing what they really want to do, and that is cure patients. I know of one or two who have taken a step back and renounced the whole thing as a pile of deusional clap-trap, but most of the true believers are just that. The singlemindedness of the refusal to even consider any contrary evidence is incredibly impressive.

Riolfe.
 
LFTKBS said:
Also, you idiots, if you want people to take you seriously, you're going to need to do real double-blind studies. The credibility of science isn't just because they use words that are too big for your little reptilian brain, it's because of the method by which they derive truth. Arrrgh! #$%FDSGE345
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What people should try to understand is that anything which contradicts materialism and scientism simply CANNOT be correct. It is simply not possibly. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a poor deluded fool.
 
LFTKBS said:
Okay, last thing:

http://www.homeopathyhome.com/ultimate/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=000395

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REPORTER: Hello everyone. My name is John Fossil and we are here today with The Amazing Dandy, who will debunk some popular myths. Go ahead, Dandy, amaze us.

DANDY: I am going to prove once and for all that television is just a myth sold to a gullible public.

FOSSIL: How so?

DANDY: It just defies common sense. There is absolutely no way to cram many tiny people into a box the size of a TV. Besides, if the gunfights people think they are watching were really happening, everyone sitting in front of their TV sets would have been shot by now.
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Wow. I mean, it's just not funny. I say this not as a skeptic, but as a connoisseur of comedy. Ugh.
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LMAO off. It IS funny, though it ought not to be because it is so *so* true of the way skeptics think.
 
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