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were fed by the drop either distilled water, Arsenicum Album, or alcohol thathad been through the same preparation procedure as the homeopathic remedy,
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Meaning,,,,the mice had distilled water or alcohol. Has anyone studied the effects of alcohol vs water in poisoned mice?

Or were the mice ever exposed to arsenic at all...guess a few actually were. What is arsenic album...crap

They found that Arsenicum Album [which is the same as alcohol + water with no arsenic present?], at two different dilutions, could reduce the activity levels of the two enzymes within 72 hours,
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Meaning...alcohol affects the enzyme, and distilled water doesn't?

WTF? Am I just confused?:confused:


Hmm, looked up the homeopath version of arsenic album...it's water and alcohol with the usual null molecules of arsenic.

So they studied alcohol and water, and distilled water, and more alcohol and water (in same dilution as the first alcohol and water)

So, in conlusion, alcohol has some effect on them enzymes, and I'm no position to determine if it was a positive effect or not on the enzymes.

Since the enzymes were at a higher level before exposure to the alcohol, then I conclude that alcohol has a negative effect on the enzymes and no positve effect on the liver...since they didn't actually check to see if the liver was helped or not since they just looked at enzyme levels.

I conclude that the idiotic homeopath remedy will make the liver worse due to alcohol poisoning that has proven to reduce the amount of enzymes present in a mouse.

Arsenicum Album (see description)

Potency Brand Amount Retail Your
6X WHP 0.5 oz. dilution 9.09 8.64

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12X WHP 0.5 oz. dilution 9.09 8.64

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30X WHP 0.5 oz. dilution 9.09 8.64

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6C WHP 0.5 oz. dilution 9.09 8.64

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12C WHP 0.5 oz. dilution 9.09 8.64

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30C WHP 0.5 oz. dilution 9.09 8.64

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200C WHP 0.5 oz. dilution 11.59 11.01

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1M WHP 0.5 oz. dilution 11.59 11.01

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10M WHP 0.5 oz. dilution 18.69 17.76

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50M WHP 0.5 oz. dilution 27.49 26.12

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CM WHP 0.5 oz. dilution 39.59 37.61

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6X WHP 1.0 oz. dilution 12.09 11.49

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12X WHP 1.0 oz. dilution 12.09 11.49

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30X WHP 1.0 oz. dilution 12.09 11.49

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6C WHP 1.0 oz. dilution 12.09 11.49

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12C WHP 1.0 oz. dilution 12.09 11.49

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30C WHP 1.0 oz. dilution 12.09 11.49

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200C WHP 1.0 oz. dilution 15.89 15.10

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1M WHP 1.0 oz. dilution 15.89 15.10

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10M WHP 1.0 oz. dilution 29.69 28.21

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50M WHP 1.0 oz. dilution 42.79 40.65

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CM WHP 1.0 oz. dilution 63.49 60.32

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6X WHP 2.0 oz. dilution 18.19 17.28

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12X WHP 2.0 oz. dilution 18.19 17.28

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30X WHP 2.0 oz. dilution 18.19 17.28

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6C WHP 2.0 oz. dilution 18.19 17.28

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12C WHP 2.0 oz. dilution 18.19 17.28

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30C WHP 2.0 oz. dilution 18.19 17.28

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200C WHP 2.0 oz. dilution 26.89 25.55

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1M WHP 2.0 oz. dilution 26.89 25.55

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10M WHP 2.0 oz. dilution 48.19 45.78

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6X WHP 4.0 oz. dilution 28.99 27.54

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12X WHP 4.0 oz. dilution 28.99 27.54

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30X WHP 4.0 oz. dilution 28.99 27.54

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6C WHP 4.0 oz. dilution 28.99 27.54

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12C WHP 4.0 oz. dilution 28.99 27.54

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30C WHP 4.0 oz. dilution 28.99 27.54

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200C WHP 4.0 oz. dilution 42.79 40.65

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1M WHP 4.0 oz. dilution 42.79 40.65

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10M WHP 4.0 oz. dilution 76.89 73.05

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Whops!--I thought this might be related to the item I saw in Science about very low concentrations of toxic stuff being beneficial, which they called hormesis. But as that article pointed out, those concentrations, although very low, were definitly measurable.

Oh well, more dehydrated water claims.
 
Hmm...two dilutions supposedly had an effect, but how many were tested? Anyone got access to the original paper?
 
Martin said:
Hmm...two dilutions supposedly had an effect, but how many were tested? Anyone got access to the original paper?
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If you go to the BioMed website, the paper looks like it's open access, so I think we may all have free access to it (but as I'm accessing this from a university which has paid subscriptions to many journals, it's hard to tell) - try it and see.
 
JamesM said:

If you go to the BioMed website, the paper looks like it's open access, so I think we may all have free access to it (but as I'm accessing this from a university which has paid subscriptions to many journals, it's hard to tell) - try it and see.
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It is free access, and the English isn't too bad. I should be able to assess it, because it's within my subject area, but it's 27 pages long and I'm flagging fast. I've saved a copy though, so if I ever get to the end of it I'll let you know.

They only tested two potencies though, I got that far.

Oh, and it's SAD arsenic alleviating arsenic poisoning, which technically isn't homoeopathy, it's isopathy - as the homoeopaths always tell us when this sort of experiment doesn't work.

Oh, it's tedious.

Rolfe.
 
Rolfe said:

It is free access, and the English isn't too bad. I should be able to assess it, because it's within my subject area, but it's 27 pages long and I'm flagging fast. I've saved a copy though, so if I ever get to the end of it I'll let you know.

They only tested two potencies though, I got that far.

Oh, and it's SAD arsenic alleviating arsenic poisoning, which technically isn't homoeopathy, it's isopathy - as the homoeopaths always tell us when this sort of experiment doesn't work.

Oh, it's tedious.

Rolfe.
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Whomever posted that story at the link really should learn a thing or two about homeopathy and and isopathy. THe title on the article includes

Homeopathic Solutions For A Global Catastrophe
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and the place i got the information on
Arsenicum Album
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was a homoepath page on it and other remedies.

http://www.abchomeopathy.com/r.php/Ars

http://www.zooscape.com/cgi-bin/maitred/GreenCanyon/questc100199

So, does alcohol cause less enzymes to be in the body or what
 
Not sure what TamiO is trying to bury, but I'm bumping this one again over the duplicate thread, because this one's got all the links in it.

Rolfe.
 
I read over most of the paper. The only problems I could find were 1) The homeopathic solutions used came directly from a homeopathic manufacturer who probably knew what they were going to be used for. 2) The animals used were not genetically identical, such as Sprague Dawley rats, however they did use 5/group. 3) The researcher did not check the clearance rate of the arsenic in the urine, nor did they directly measure it in the blood, so the conclusion that the homeopathic solution rapidly eliminates arsenic is not valid. So offhand, it appears as compelling as the flourscence study recently published regarding homeopathic solutions. I would like to see this repeated under more controlled conditions.
 
Rolfe said:
Oh, and it's SAD arsenic alleviating arsenic poisoning, which technically isn't homoeopathy, it's isopathy - as the homoeopaths always tell us when this sort of experiment doesn't work.
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Delightfully condescending :).
 
How the homeopathic remedies work when no molecule of original molecule can be present in higher potencies? If some energy is stored due to rubbing/succussing of mixtures?
 
Well, there was no proof it worked the way they said it did (reduce and reverse the level of poison) in the first place.

Their measurements were redundant. They need to measure the amount of arsenic in the body (can do this by looking at hair) before and after the treatment. Look at hair growth after the treatment and test it for arsenic content.

Testing for enzymes is just lame.
 
Beauty due to elasticity of the science >>> Yesterday's Dead >> Today Alive >> Tomorrow Dead, OR Yesterday's Alive >> Today Dead >> Tomorrow Alive.....Alas!!... so on???
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