Holocaust Denial.
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Mostly as a pretext to the creation of Israel, which is the next step in the plan of the NWO and banking overlords to control the world.
Most think it was "overstated" and only a few thousand died, which explains all the videos and pictoral evidence.
Most think it was "overstated" and only a few thousand died, which explains all the videos and pictoral evidence.
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They just ignore the facts. Even some germans do so because they can not accept that their Gov did so. And others just hate Jews or want to push their political agendas.
I've done some research on this. While I don't support holocaust denial, here are a few of the arguments from those who do.
1) The smokestacks at auschwitz, which were apparently part of the ovens where they burned jews to death, were added after the war ended.
2) The Zyklon B gas which was used to kill jews in the 'gas showers' was actually used to delouse their clothing to keep the population of the camps healthy
3) Several propoganda images showing dead jews have been obviously doctored.
4) Census of the world jew population from before and after the war shows a definite increase in Jews worldwide, which one might not expect if 6 million of them were killed in between the census.
5) The concentration camps did not have adequate supply of fuel to burn as many bodies as is claimed.
6) They weren't all jews. I've heard the claim that the occupants of the camps consisted of more or less equal parts of criminals, hobos, jews, gays, blacks, etc.
As for why they would want to fake the holocaust, the prevailing theory among deniers is that it creates an atmosphere of victimization, eg, sympathy and pity, that the jews could exploit to get their way.
Please don't call me a denier just because I've read this stuff. I'm just trying to answer the question.
1) The smokestacks at auschwitz, which were apparently part of the ovens where they burned jews to death, were added after the war ended.
2) The Zyklon B gas which was used to kill jews in the 'gas showers' was actually used to delouse their clothing to keep the population of the camps healthy
3) Several propoganda images showing dead jews have been obviously doctored.
4) Census of the world jew population from before and after the war shows a definite increase in Jews worldwide, which one might not expect if 6 million of them were killed in between the census.
5) The concentration camps did not have adequate supply of fuel to burn as many bodies as is claimed.
6) They weren't all jews. I've heard the claim that the occupants of the camps consisted of more or less equal parts of criminals, hobos, jews, gays, blacks, etc.
As for why they would want to fake the holocaust, the prevailing theory among deniers is that it creates an atmosphere of victimization, eg, sympathy and pity, that the jews could exploit to get their way.
Please don't call me a denier just because I've read this stuff. I'm just trying to answer the question.
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Holocaust deniers make me f-ing sick!
These people must be the lowest of the lowest of lifeforms.
Oliver, are the neo-nazi's in (Eastern mostly?) Germany also deniers? Or just 'plain' ignorant facists?
Some are extremists - but most of them are stupid kids like the ones in the "9/11-denial-movement". Thanks god we fight them very hard so they don´t have a big voice here.
Dazed, I don't think you should worry about that. I read a lot about famous historical mistakes...simply to see what led people to go so wrong.
Amongst the sea of evil that fascism created, there was originally a droplet of a good idea...which leads to things like the office of the President and the electoral college.
Amongst the sea of evil that fascism created, there was originally a droplet of a good idea...which leads to things like the office of the President and the electoral college.
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My father was in the US Army in Europe during WWII, and was the official photographer for his platoon or regiment or some such group.
When I was a young child I discovered a shoebox in my parent's closet. In that box there were literally hundreds of photographs that would make your skin crawl. I saw human bodies stacked 8 or 10 high in which every single rib was clearly visible. The skin on their faces was drawn tight across the cheekbones. You could clearly see that each arm and leg had two bones in the lower half. It was evident that the femur is a very large bone.
As I say, there were hundreds of these photos. My sister says that our father took these photos at Dachau. I know for damn sure that none of them was faked. I certainly do not know the ethnicity or the sexual orientation of these brutally murdered people, but I do have a clear image of the kinds of things human beings will do for the glory of Church and State.
I do not believe that what happened in Nazi Germany was a vast departure from the misdeeds of other campaigns of organized violence conducted in the name of Holy Causes. But I did learn at a very young age that it is very important to be careful about which ideas you let get inside your head.
I wish I was in possession of these photos so that I could pass them along to an appropriate organization that would preserve them for historical reference.
When I was a young child I discovered a shoebox in my parent's closet. In that box there were literally hundreds of photographs that would make your skin crawl. I saw human bodies stacked 8 or 10 high in which every single rib was clearly visible. The skin on their faces was drawn tight across the cheekbones. You could clearly see that each arm and leg had two bones in the lower half. It was evident that the femur is a very large bone.
As I say, there were hundreds of these photos. My sister says that our father took these photos at Dachau. I know for damn sure that none of them was faked. I certainly do not know the ethnicity or the sexual orientation of these brutally murdered people, but I do have a clear image of the kinds of things human beings will do for the glory of Church and State.
I do not believe that what happened in Nazi Germany was a vast departure from the misdeeds of other campaigns of organized violence conducted in the name of Holy Causes. But I did learn at a very young age that it is very important to be careful about which ideas you let get inside your head.
I wish I was in possession of these photos so that I could pass them along to an appropriate organization that would preserve them for historical reference.
The Nazis were not driven by religious beliefs.
Let me just clarify something.
I was referring to a specific doctored photo.
You may have seen it. It showed a group of prisoners, and in the background, smoke billowing from a chimney. In the original photo, there was no smoke coming from the chimney, so it was edited. Here's the 'reason' for it.
"IN ORDER to reconcile the wartime 1944 photograph with the postwar "eye-witness testimony" of smoke billowing from Crematorium building chimneys, the historians and scholars of the Simon Wiesenthal Center have helpfully inserted smoke into the photograph, thereby avoiding injurious puzzlement among school children and other innocent visitors to its Website who might otherwise fall foul of the lies of the Revisionists."
http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/docs/fake/SWCsmokeFake.html
While I don't deny the holocaust, I think its inappropriate to edit the historical documents to make it seem like it was 'more-holocausty' then it really was.
Essentially, this organization said, "We know the holocaust happened, but it doesn't really look like it in this picture, so lets add some burning jews so the children wont get confused."
I was referring to a specific doctored photo.
You may have seen it. It showed a group of prisoners, and in the background, smoke billowing from a chimney. In the original photo, there was no smoke coming from the chimney, so it was edited. Here's the 'reason' for it.
"IN ORDER to reconcile the wartime 1944 photograph with the postwar "eye-witness testimony" of smoke billowing from Crematorium building chimneys, the historians and scholars of the Simon Wiesenthal Center have helpfully inserted smoke into the photograph, thereby avoiding injurious puzzlement among school children and other innocent visitors to its Website who might otherwise fall foul of the lies of the Revisionists."
http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/docs/fake/SWCsmokeFake.html
While I don't deny the holocaust, I think its inappropriate to edit the historical documents to make it seem like it was 'more-holocausty' then it really was.
Essentially, this organization said, "We know the holocaust happened, but it doesn't really look like it in this picture, so lets add some burning jews so the children wont get confused."
It could very well be that the smoke was in the picture on the negative, but due to the big contrast of the dark forground and light background, it doesn't show up under normal printing conditions. You could get these details to show when you 'burn' parts of the picture that are overexposed.
The assumption with this 'fact' is that the census jews were adults. If millions of your people were slaughtered, would there be an incentive to have lots of babies? A former revisionist changed his mind when he reexamined a passage concerning the number of people able to fit inside a particular gas chamber. Using so many square feet per person, revisionists crowed that the numbers given were ludicrous. The reformed revisionist reread the passage and noticed that children were included. Instead 'X'-feet per person, part of the equation would have consisted of .5'X'-feet.
Shermer and/or Deborah Lipstadt mentioned that this would be true IF you were constantly starting/stopping the fire for each body. However, continuously running the ovens would actually require far less.
The revisionists confuse arguable exploitation (see Professor Finkelstein) of the Holocaust with the Holocaust having been 'faked'. Mike Rivero of WRH commits this fallacy on an almost weekly basis.
While there is an ideological basis for many Deniers, there is also a substantial body of people that are simply misinformed CTers.
There's a pretty good analysis of Holocaust denial in Michael Shermer's book "Why People Believe Wierd Things". If you're going to play with the 9/11 deniers, it would be a good idea to read this book. Unsurprisingly enough, the mechanisms used by Holocause deniers are the same as those used by the 9/11 deniers.
Well, I think few people can deny a reasonable motivation in faking the Holocaust: it does provide a sense of moral highground and give moral cover and purported justification for the state of Israel. Also, it conveniently paints the victors of World War II and later the Cold War (the anglosphere) as liberating good guys. So the Holocaust narrative has a victors-write-the-history flavor to it.
But that doesn't mean the Holocaust didn't happen. I started a thread here shortly after I joined questioning elements of the Holocaust narrative. I was convinced by the replies that the Holocaust overall is as proven a historical event as any other. If it has been falsfied, the conspiracy of even non-jewish, non-anglo historians is massive, and they manage to create a supporting narrative to dense and internally consistent for an amateur historian like myself to crack
In short, I don't see less of reason to believe the mainstream historian's holocaust narrative than the historian's narrative of any other purported historical event.
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Oliver
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Good catch, Oliver!
ETA: Just for the sake of completeness, that's the same guy who "guesses" that
Source (Warning: Graphic pictures)
He´s one of these Conspiracy-Theorists who are not able to explain themselves. It might have to do with the things they´ve learned during growing up within an anti-semitic environment - i still don´t know much about these type of people...
Cheers,
Oliver
