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I am a holocaust denier, but open to your view.

There are numerous holocaust denial videos found at:
holocaustdenialvideos.com

I'm most interested in what people think about the video "One Third Of The Holocaust" found there but feel free to discuss the other holocaust denial videos also.

I am asking if anyone here can watch some episodes of one of the videos and state specifically that they don't agree with in a specific episode. I request the following guidelines:

1) Discuss a specific episode of a specific video. The videos are all broken up into episodes. Don't change subject to another holocaust topic, which the videos don't cover. For instance the comment "what about the millions who saw it happen?" would be breaking this guideline, since the videos don't cover that and it thus changes the topic.

2) Don't focus on how it is or hateful to be a denier. Rather, state specifically what you don't agree with (or agree with) in a specific episode of a specific video at holocaust denial videos dot com.

Sorry to put "specific" in bold but you wouldn't believe how hard it is to get people to do this. We'll see if anyone can do it here.
 
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Sorry, but this is not how things work here. We help those who have specific questions on theories they want to have explained to them; dont expect us to spend our time to watch a bunch of videos and have US present you with questions.

YOU pick a video that you have a specific issue with (or you agree with) and then ask what our thoughts on that video is, or if a specific claim in the video is something you want an opposing view on, then point that out in a discussion thread.

But for now read these sites:
http://www.nizkor.org/
http://www.holocaust-history.org/
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/
http://www.holocaustresearchproject.net/
http://www.adl.org/holocaust/introduction.asp
 
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Budly said:
I am a holocaust denier, but open to your view.
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In my experience, the one thing any Holocaust Denier is not is "open to your views".

All right, then, you tell us exactly what happened to the millions of Jews which you claim the Nazis did not murder. The Nazis made these Jews disappear, so it is the responsibility of the Nazis and their defenders to prove whatever else supposedly happened to them, other than being murdered by the Nazis.
 
Hi Arus808: O.K. I'll pick a video for you and an episode: Episode 1 of the video "One Third Of The Holocaust." Here is a specific question for you: Do you think Yankel Wiernik is a credible Treblinka eyewitness?

Hi Chaos: The first thing you did was break my guideline #1.

My 2 guidelines are quite reasonable.

I think that first episode is only 10 minutes long.
 
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why don't you tell us where the 6 million missing Jews went.

and there are....around 6 million missing Jews. all relevant census data before and after WW2 confirms this.

so where they at?
 
Hi Parky76: You broke Guideline #1.

My guidelines are reasonable.
 
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Budly said:
Hi Arus808: O.K. I'll pick a video for you and an episode: Episode 1 of the video "One Third Of The Holocaust." Here is a specific question for you: Do you think Yankel Wiernik is a credible Treblinka eyewitness?
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Covered adequately here.

Incidentally, Budly, are you the creator of this film, One Third of the Holocaust?
 
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you are a holocaust denier? What does that mean exactly? Does it mean you have your own version of history and it is correct unlike the "mainstream" version of history that is all wrong? Thats cool. What about the black plague? not interested in denying that too? Maybe WW1. (that was the war before ww2). did that happen? are you sure?? reeeeeely sure? What day is it tomorrow? Maybe it won't be the day you expect.....

You also have some "guidelines" where you only want to discuss little narrow aspects of the issue.

well son, sorry but thats not the way it works especially when your initial proposition is so stupid and offensive.

you are a holocaust denier, I am a budly debier.

sorry son, you never happened. Welcome to irrelevance.
 
Hi Brainster: Yes, that link you offered specifically discusses the first episode of the video "One Third of the Holocaust." Thank you. But that rebuttal begins with ad hominem attacks:

Historiography as seen by an ignorant charlatan …
... and conveyed to even more ignorant troglodytes.
I think that’s a fitting title for the first clip of our Ugly Voice Bud’s video,
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Those just seem like put-downs to me. Suppose somebody posts here who believes that Uri Geller can bend spoons. Do you give them a link that explains scientifically why it's a hoax or do you give them a link that calls Uri Geller an ignorant charlatan with an ugly voice bending spoons in front of ignorant trogolodytes?

Have you yourself watched episode 1? Do you think Yankel Wiernik is a credible witness?

Regarding who I am. I'd rather not discuss that, since it draws away from the topic of this discussion.
 
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What about the black plague?
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Somewhat off topic but there are some academics who claim that the black death may not have been plague. John Kelly in his book 'The Great Mortality' is pretty scathing about their conclusions but doesn't question their academic approach to the topic. He aknowledges that the black plague was somewhat different to the plague we see today.

It shows that scientists can challenge accepted facts if they do so properly. Holocaust deniers often claim that challenging accepted facts is not allowed but this is because they don't usually do so properly.
 
Hi GTC: Watch the first episode of "One Third of the Holocaust" and decide if you think challenging the facts is done properly there. I'd like to hear what you think.

Hi Bobert: You're breaking the reasonable guidelines I put down in my initial post.

Hi The Fool: You wrote that I "only want to discuss little narrow aspects of the issue." You can call it that, but if discussing an eyewitness (Yankel Wiernik) at one deathcamp (Treblinka) is a narrow aspect of an issue. So be it.
 
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is there any evidence that would convince you that the Nazis systematically killed millions of Jews? What would it take to falsify your belief that the holocaust never happened? Or are those beliefs unfalsifiable?

Here's an interesting audio from The Holocaust History Project


http://www.holocaust-history.org/himmler-poznan/himmler-poznan-large.mov

Auschwitz guards nightmares linger

Schroeder admits ordinary Germans' role

66 questions and answers about the Holocaust

http://tc.usc.edu/vhitc/(fu15lgm0lsfxthfmepp40gq4)/default.aspx




repost of my response to Holocaust denial
 
Im sorry, Budly, but no real conversation can be had until you take the time (and it will take you SOMe major amount of time) to read over these sites:

But for now read these sites:
http://www.nizkor.org/
http://www.holocaust-history.org/
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/
http://www.holocaustresearchproject.net/
http://www.adl.org/holocaust/introduction.asp


Nizkor alone took me a couple months just to get through. Seeing that you responded so quickly, its obvious that you didn't bother to read the above websites.

Please do so. And when you have, then come back if you have a specific question
 
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Hi Brainster: Yes, that link you offered specifically discusses the first episode of the video "One Third of the Holocaust." Thank you. But that rebuttal begins with ad hominem attacks:

Have you yourself watched episode 1? Do you think Yankel Wiernik is a credible witness?

Regarding who I am. I'd rather not discuss that, since it draws away from the topic of this discussion.
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so the opening to a page, where the REST is supported by evidence will go wholly ignored by you?

Yeah, you really want to engage in some debate here.
 
The guidelines are not reasonable, if these episodes are part of a greater whole than that greater whole is up for discussion; and if that greater whole is discussing the Holocaust, than the whole of Holocaust research is legitimate to bring into the discussion.

The above sentence is broken up into segments (episodes), if you want to disagree than do so be citing something specific about a specific segment.

Of course that is silly, and I wouldn't expect anyone to follow it. That being said I am not going to follow your guidelines, and I will be discussing the subject matter with the other people on this thread.
 
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