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Hitler 'died in Argentina'

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This is receiving some coverage in the UK.

http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16090144

Is anyone here well versed in the subject or know the authors? I'm interested to know whether this could be an interesting piece of historical detective work that challenges the mainstream consensus - or just some sensationalist nonsense.

Has anyone looked at this in detail and have a strong opinion either way?
 
Something did catch my eye:

The film Grey Wolf is currently in production and is expected to be released in January.​

I really do doubt it could have remained a secret all these years. (I know that's an argument from incredulity!)

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Even the publisher's description on Amazon seems to be hedging its bets: "...Heres the gripping story of what might have happened... ..."
 
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Darat said:
Something did catch my eye:

The film Grey Wolf is currently in production and is expected to be released in January.​

I really do doubt it could have remained a secret all these years. (I know that's an argument from incredulity!)

ETA:

Even the publisher's description on Amazon seems to be hedging its bets: "...Heres the gripping story of what might have happened... ..."
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i saw a tv documentary segment on this many years ago.
they even showed the grave where he was supposedly buried in the 50's.
 
I don't know about Hitler, but I have it on good authority that Fester Bestertester is alive and well and living in Argentina...
 
Darat said:
I really do doubt it could have remained a secret all these years. (I know that's an argument from incredulity!)
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I haven't studied this in any depth but it would appear that the evidence for the accepted truth is fairly limited - mainly German and Russian witnesses and no undisputed body parts. But it's hard to believe that Nazi Germany at that stage, even with their ingenuity and determination, could have whisked him away and kept it secret for so long. I'm not sure how many of the really top tier of Nazis got away. Wonder what Simon Wiesenthal's view of Hitler's death was?
 
Darat said:
(I know that's an argument from incredulity!)
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But sometimes such an argument, in balance against weak evidence for the posited scenario, can be quite strong.
 
Metullus said:
I don't know about Hitler, but I have it on good authority that Fester Bestertester is alive and well and living in Argentina...
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Lots of people have died in Argentina; I doubt Hitler was one of them.
 
Possible?

Given the number of Nazis that made it to S America I guess so. Hitler would have had first choice of any escape route if he had wanted.

Would he have lived until the late 50s? Again, I guess possible. Living to around 70ish would not be unheard of for Parkinson's even in the 50s.

Raising two daughters? Well possible I guess (seems the most far fetched bit). Eva was healthy enough. These daughters if they exist would now be in their 60s and quite possibly mothers in their own right. However, if they do exist they committed no crimes and consequently deserve to be left in peace.

Boys from Brazil? :eek:
 
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Going by the synopsis on the Axis History forum, this whole 'theory' relies on Martin Bormann having doubles of Hitler, Braun and Fegelein that were convincing enough to fool everyone in the bunker. It must have been all Bormann could do to keep a straight face when the Hitler-double ordered the execution of the Fegerlein-double.
 
He's definitely dead though, right? And so he should be, and I say that as someone implacably opposed to the death penalty for anything. We're just arguing about where and when and whether he danced on any pinheads lately.

ETA: Physically dead, but memorialised, worshipped and emulated by some. I may be more implacably opposed to the extermination of ideas than people, but there's more than pointlessness weighing against this rather silly theory. Since I'm rambling, I just watched Holy Flying Circus, about the furore over Life Of Brian and the famous TV debate with Malcolm Muggeridge and the Bishop of Southwark continually saying that the story of Christ was a recurring, perpetual (and thus unassailable?) element of western civilisation. Yeah, him, and Hitler...
 
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Keeper said:
I haven't studied this in any depth but it would appear that the evidence for the accepted truth is fairly limited - mainly German and Russian witnesses and no undisputed body parts. But it's hard to believe that Nazi Germany at that stage, even with their ingenuity and determination, could have whisked him away and kept it secret for so long.
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They would have had to discreetly move Hitler away quite a while before the day official history lists as his dying date. At that point, moving him two blocks would have been an achievement, getting him to a functioning airport a virtual impossibility, and even if they somehow managed to accomplish that, he'd still be a long way from Argentina.
 
Outside of the fact that there were witnesses at the bunker who testified to the actual events and their testimonies lined up (a few of these people seemed to have been appalled by the concentration camps after they were presented with the evidence so it doesn't seem like they would ALL keep a secret about Hitler's "faked" suicide).... I find it hard to believe that he could have made it out of Germany.

Himmler shaved his mustache, stated wearing an eye patch, he had papers and the uniform of a sergeant AND he was on the Danish boarder not in Berlin yet he was still recognized.

While Himmler would have been VERY high on the list of wanted criminals Hitler would have obviously been the most highly sought of all Nazi's and possibly one of the most wanted men in human history. Furthermore Hitler was extremely recognizable.

It could be argued that with help and some planning Hitler wouldn't have suffered the same fate as Himmler but I think people underestimate the chaos of the final days of the Third Reich.

The planning and execution needed to move someone of that high profile would have been almost impossible at that point in the war. The last photo of Hitler was taken on April 28th 1945, at which time the Russians had surrounded Berlin and the Americans and British were stationed at the Elbe and Mulde Rivers.

I think it is assumed that the chaos would mask the movements of Hitler and his conspirators but I believe it would have had the reverse effect. They would have found it much more difficult to find transportation, shelter and supplies all of which were in extremely short supply in Berlin and Germany as a whole.

You can't plan to take a truck, get to the river and get on a boat when there are an extremely limited number of working trucks and boats, there isn't any fuel and oh by the way there are 1,200,000 armed Russan's waiting around every corner looking for someone.. anyone... to shoot.

Logistically I think it is highly improbable that any average citizen was going to make it out of Berlin at the time without being questioned, captured, or outright killed let alone the single greatest villain in human history.

I didn't read the paper so I am open to having my opinion changed but color me skeptical.
 
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