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Historical Serial Killer: Jack The Ripper

Dhaos Knight

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Jack The Ripper, one of the most infamous criminals in history.
'Saucy Jack' as he was known then as well for the snyde remarks and saucy responses in his letters to the police, was never caught and little is known about this man, and no one knew who he was. According to the authorities then, back in the year of 1888, he was known in Londons white castle are for his murders of his 5 victims.

1. Mary Ann Nicholls
First acknowledged 'Ripper' victim. Savagely attacked across the throat, exposing vertebrae; Repeatedly stabbed at the stomach; Little publicity.

2. Annie Chapman
Bodily organs removed from victims abdomen. The media 'awakens' to the series of atrocities being committed in the East End.

3. Elizabeth Stride
The attacker is interrupted in his mutilation of the Swedish prostitute, and fails in the attempt to remove her ear.

4. Catharine Eddowes
To recompense the failed expedition earlier on, the 'Ripper' resumes his gruesome work on Eddowes. Later examination reveals a kidney is missing. This soon reappears...

5. Mary Jeanette Kelly
Just as the panic created by the 'Ripper' begins to die, the killer performs the most brutal of all his murders, taking several hours to finish the dismemberment. The victim is later discovered to be pregnant.

All the victims, oddly enough as it is now as it was then, were all prostitutes. There 7 suspects and one other idea about who Jack the Ripper was.

1. Montague John Druitt
A failed lawyer whose body was found in the River Thames in December 1888. This coincided with the sudden end of the savage murders.

2. Severin Klosowski
A Polish immigrant who changed his name to George Chapman upon his arrival to London, and deserving a sub-section all for himself (wife poisoner), he was labelled (But later retracted) as being Jack the Ripper when arrested by Frederick Abberline (in charge of the Ripper atrocities at the time). It is exceptionally unusual for a murderer to change so swiftly his method of killing, and is more likely that in desperation to pin the murders on someone, Klosowski fit the bill.

3. Dr. Roslyn D'Onston Stephenson
An author and magician who preferred to keep his own activities to himself, has been labelled as the murderer by theorising that the murders were committed as part of some secret initiation/ritual process (5 murders ties in with the belief that the pentagram symbol can be used to channel power to individuals). This belief may have faded over time were it not for Stephenson 'disappearing' sometime in 1904.

4. HRH Prince Albert Victor, Duke of Clarence
Scandal has always been welcome at the expense of royalty, which is exactly what happened to Queen Victoria's grandson and the spate of East End murders. It has been suggested that Prince Albert, directly or indirectly, had knowledge of who was involved in the murders. Others who may have been instigators of the murders themselves include Sir William Gull (the royal physician), Walter Sickert (An artist) and John Netley (A royal coachman in service). The murders were apparently committed to prevent any 'loose ends' involving a Prince's indiscretion, an illegitimate child and future blackmail attempts. If this is so, why then did five women die if only one was required to be eliminated, of which the identity was known? and why were they killed so gruesomely?

5. James Kenneth Stephen
Directly linked to Prince Albert by way of being his tutor at Cambridge, it has been claimed he was the murderer due to his homosexuality culminating into a pathological hatred of women in general. If this is so, why didn't he kill any female that he saw, instead of merely confining his murders to the East End?

6. Dr. Thomas Neil Cream
A serial-killer himself (lady poisoner both abroad and in Europe), his link with the 'Ripper' legacy is that he blurted out "I am jack..." just as he was hanged. The fact that he was incarcerated on American soil at the time hasn't diminished the link.

7. James Maybrick
Perhaps being one of the most important developments to arise from continued Whitechapel investigations was the surfacing of the infamous "Jack the Ripper Diary" in which the self-confessions of the purported murderer are laid out in an almost enigmatic fashion, with pages torn out and passages scribbled out. Unfortunately, instead of the laying to rest one of the most intriguing cases in human history, equal amounts of scorn and ridicule from sceptics matches the proponents of the diary, firmly believing in the authenticity of the document.

One other theory is that Jack the Ripper was a woman. then wouldnt it be some thing like Jill, Jane, Julie the Ripper, or Mad Midwife?

The most noteable thing about all this are his letters which coinciced with the murders he/she commited. there were 5 or 6 letters, of which had this on it:

Eight little whores, with no hope of heaven,
Gladstone may save one, then there'll be seven.
Seven little whores beggin for a shilling,
One stays in Henage Court, then there's a killing.
Six little whores, glad to be alive,
One sidles up to Jack, then there are five.
Four and whore rhyme aright,
So do three and me,
I'll set the town alight
Ere there are two.
Two little whores, shivering with fright,
Seek a cosy doorway in the middle of the night.
Jack's knife flashes, then there's but one,
And the last one's the ripest for Jack's idea of fun.

The last one mentioned was Mary Jeanette Kelly, whom he burtally mutalated and dismembered and cut into peices.

His weapon was thought to be a dagger that was sturdy enough to cut human flesh and through muscle, but flimsy enough to bend slightly so he could maneuver it easily.

He also supposedly lived on Prince William Street. which was some where around the murders. The map of the area I have is incomplete so it doesnt show Prince William Street.

BUT, since no one knows who Jack the Ripper was, it seems illogical that he would have died and not had any kids, he could have been married for all we know. The real Mystery is why he did it.
 
didn't the "Juws (Jews) who are not without guilt" do it?


IIRC that line was found at one of the killings.


V
 
Clarence? Whos that?

Might I also add, that, it is a posibility that the infamous Jack the Ripper might have been a woman! If I can get a full name I will add it to my list of suspects. some of them sound like the killer yet, none seem to be. I wish i had more information about the murders from the autumn 1888, but I dont so I will need as much information as I can muster.
 
Nah - you are all wrong it was a vampire out for a few weeks frolic. :p

Seriously though....Linda's True Crime web site has some interesting things to say about some of the books/ the diary written about old Jack. Of course no one will ever truly know.
 
My vote goes for HRH Albert. I once saw a "trial" on Discovery i think, where a bunch of experts examined the case. They made a very strong case against Albert and i was expecting them to name him as the killer but then they suddenly named Koslovsky as their candidate despite (most of) their own evidence, allmost as if they was scared of accusing a royal.
Inbreeding was(is) normal in royal circles and insanity has been observed several times.
 
My money is on Kosminski. I remember some work that went through old JtR files and pointed out that the police at the time knew he did it, but he was being committed to an asylum anyway. They didn't want an arrest to lead to a pogrom.
 
Oh come on, it was the artist guy....I don't know but it was a recent book. I remember looking at the paintings this guy did, one was called, "Jack the Rippers Bedroom " (or that was what it was supposed to be. Also painted a murdered woman...

Anyway, at the time it really stirred some memories for me. Ever do art therapy at St.Elizabeths? Well I did while in college. Some really talented artists in there, and I so did not do more than my required time at that job!

Artist, totally. The murders, performance art.
 
Alright! I admit it! It was me!
My regressive experiences therapist has scientifically proved that I was Jack the Ripper in a former life. I know he's right because he said so.
I'm ready to take the consequences..................
 
HA! yeah right. even if you were, you cannot take the blame of your ancestors. its called Sins of the Fathers, but all you can do is forget about them cause as you hold no place to take the blame.
 
I always held a pet theory that the Ripper was actually Queen Victoria, consumed with a religious mania and convinced she had to cleanse the world of sin. I have no evidence for this theory, but it's an amusing notion and public schools should be compelled to offer this alternative theory, since all points of view are equally valid.

Plus, I kind of hope the old bat had some sort of fun in her life, apart from Mr Brown.
 
Didn't Patricia Cornwell publish a book 'Case Closed' (or something similar), about Jack the Ripper? Although, given the quality of her other books, I can't see this one being any good. Has any one read it? If so, any comments?
 
Dhaos Knight said:
1. Mary Ann Nicholls
First acknowledged 'Ripper' victim. Savagely attacked across the throat, exposing vertebrae; Repeatedly stabbed at the stomach; Little publicity.

I'm not entirely convinced that Nicholls was a victim of Jack the Ripper. Although committed with no haste, there is no removal, or attemt of removal of body parts. All subsequent murders had this.

Dhaos Knight said:
2. Annie Chapman
Bodily organs removed from victims abdomen. The media 'awakens' to the series of atrocities being committed in the East End.

East End was a sewer at the time. Murder wasn't uncommon at all, bar brawls were as common as the rats. The reason why the media spots this murder was because of the organs removed - highly unusual, even for East End.

Dhaos Knight said:
3. Elizabeth Stride
The attacker is interrupted in his mutilation of the Swedish prostitute, and fails in the attempt to remove her ear.

4. Catharine Eddowes
To recompense the failed expedition earlier on, the 'Ripper' resumes his gruesome work on Eddowes. Later examination reveals a kidney is missing. This soon reappears...

There seems to be little doubt that these two murders were committed by the same person. We see the removal of body parts in both cases.

Dhaos Knight said:
5. Mary Jeanette Kelly
Just as the panic created by the 'Ripper' begins to die, the killer performs the most brutal of all his murders, taking several hours to finish the dismemberment. The victim is later discovered to be pregnant.

Much has been made of the latter fact, but it would not be uncommon for a Victorian prostitute to be pregnant. However, this has been called his "piece de resistance", and it seems reasonable to me, too.

Dhaos Knight said:
All the victims, oddly enough as it is now as it was then, were all prostitutes.

Hardly "oddly". Prostitutes are easy victims, especially regarding serial murder cases.

Dhaos Knight said:
1. Montague John Druitt
A failed lawyer whose body was found in the River Thames in December 1888. This coincided with the sudden end of the savage murders.

My money is on Druitt.

Dhaos Knight said:
2. Severin Klosowski
A Polish immigrant who changed his name to George Chapman upon his arrival to London, and deserving a sub-section all for himself (wife poisoner), he was labelled (But later retracted) as being Jack the Ripper when arrested by Frederick Abberline (in charge of the Ripper atrocities at the time). It is exceptionally unusual for a murderer to change so swiftly his method of killing, and is more likely that in desperation to pin the murders on someone, Klosowski fit the bill.

I agree. I think that the killer had some sort of academic education, or at least was not as low-witted as Klosowski.

Dhaos Knight said:
3. Dr. Roslyn D'Onston Stephenson
An author and magician who preferred to keep his own activities to himself, has been labelled as the murderer by theorising that the murders were committed as part of some secret initiation/ritual process (5 murders ties in with the belief that the pentagram symbol can be used to channel power to individuals). This belief may have faded over time were it not for Stephenson 'disappearing' sometime in 1904.

I've read Melvyn Harris's book "The True Face of Jack the Ripper", that features D'Onston as the suspect. I don't find it very convincing.

Dhaos Knight said:
4. HRH Prince Albert Victor, Duke of Clarence
Scandal has always been welcome at the expense of royalty, which is exactly what happened to Queen Victoria's grandson and the spate of East End murders. It has been suggested that Prince Albert, directly or indirectly, had knowledge of who was involved in the murders. Others who may have been instigators of the murders themselves include Sir William Gull (the royal physician), Walter Sickert (An artist) and John Netley (A royal coachman in service). The murders were apparently committed to prevent any 'loose ends' involving a Prince's indiscretion, an illegitimate child and future blackmail attempts. If this is so, why then did five women die if only one was required to be eliminated, of which the identity was known? and why were they killed so gruesomely?

Oh, brother: Not the Illuminati/Pope/White House/Windsor/British Royalty conspiracy again! No, I don't buy it.

Dhaos Knight said:
5. James Kenneth Stephen
Directly linked to Prince Albert by way of being his tutor at Cambridge, it has been claimed he was the murderer due to his homosexuality culminating into a pathological hatred of women in general. If this is so, why didn't he kill any female that he saw, instead of merely confining his murders to the East End?

Homosexuals rarely hate women. But if he would kill women, East End prostitutes would be a much "safer" target.

Dhaos Knight said:
6. Dr. Thomas Neil Cream
A serial-killer himself (lady poisoner both abroad and in Europe), his link with the 'Ripper' legacy is that he blurted out "I am jack..." just as he was hanged. The fact that he was incarcerated on American soil at the time hasn't diminished the link.

He was in the US at the time of the murders - in jail, no less. It is certain that it wasn't him.

Dhaos Knight said:
7. James Maybrick
Perhaps being one of the most important developments to arise from continued Whitechapel investigations was the surfacing of the infamous "Jack the Ripper Diary" in which the self-confessions of the purported murderer are laid out in an almost enigmatic fashion, with pages torn out and passages scribbled out. Unfortunately, instead of the laying to rest one of the most intriguing cases in human history, equal amounts of scorn and ridicule from sceptics matches the proponents of the diary, firmly believing in the authenticity of the document.

I'm not terribly convinced. The "enigmatic form" lends itself to far too wide interpretations - heck, Maybrick could have been an alien, visiting from Planet X.

Dhaos Knight said:
One other theory is that Jack the Ripper was a woman. then wouldnt it be some thing like Jill, Jane, Julie the Ripper, or Mad Midwife?

No, I don't think so. Female serial killers usually use poison.

Dhaos Knight said:
The most noteable thing about all this are his letters which coinciced with the murders he/she commited. there were 5 or 6 letters, of which had this on it:

Difficult issue, the letters. I don't know which ones are from the real killer, if any at all.

Dhaos Knight said:
The real Mystery is why he did it.

We know more about serial killers today: It is almost always a question of control, of power.
 
Abdul Alhazred said:
It was Clarence. No question.

I never even heard of any of those other folks.

Then you haven't looked into the case much. Druitt is by far the most mentioned suspect.
 
kittynh said:
Oh come on, it was the artist guy....I don't know but it was a recent book. I remember looking at the paintings this guy did, one was called, "Jack the Rippers Bedroom " (or that was what it was supposed to be. Also painted a murdered woman...

Anyway, at the time it really stirred some memories for me. Ever do art therapy at St.Elizabeths? Well I did while in college. Some really talented artists in there, and I so did not do more than my required time at that job!

Artist, totally. The murders, performance art.

That would be Walter Sickert.

Patricia Cornwell and Walter Sickert: A Primer

I'm not sure I agree on the performance art, though.... :)
 
Didn't Patricia Cornwell publish a book 'Case Closed' (or something similar), about Jack the Ripper? Although, given the quality of her other books, I can't see this one being any good. Has any one read it? If so, any comments?

I don't know much about this except that my brother was very upset because he watched the TV show where Dianne Sawyer interviewed Cornewell, oohing and aahing and fawning over her insight....but my brother claimed all of this "insight" was published some years earlier, by someone else, and Cornwell's book seemed to verge on plagerism.
 

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