Higgs boson vs superstition

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Excellent, provocative column in today's Wapo:
God particle discovery is a win for science over superstition

The illiterate sheepherders of the Middle East, upon whose wisdom many people base their worldview, were wrong about the size, shape, structure, location, formation, behavior, age, and relative importance of the Earth. They were wrong about astronomy, biology, chemistry, cosmology, history, geography, geology, medicine, zoology, the treatment of women and personal grooming. And pretty much everything else. In the absence of science, they operated on superstition. It’s not that they didn’t know the right answers, they didn’t even know the questions. Rather than real knowledge, they produced urban legends and destructive cultural behaviors that plague mankind to this day.

Predictable criticisms in the comments...
 
The woo-woos distort quantum mechanics to explain things like homeopathy and power bands. They'll distort this to suit the needs.

Steve Ss
 
I like that article, good one.

The comments are a hoot. But won't be long before some bible basher starts quoting some obscure nonsense from the bible and claiming it predicted Higgs.

You mean "bible thumpers" instead of "bible bashers", I believe.

Anyway, I understand from the news (and the news might be wrong) that the Higgs Boson can be measured and weighed. So does it have mass?

It is this "thing" that a universe comes from, right? That is very cool. Where does it come from?
 
I like that article, good one.

The comments are a hoot. But won't be long before some bible basher starts quoting some obscure nonsense from the bible and claiming it predicted Higgs.

What did you find so good about the article?
 
You mean "bible thumpers" instead of "bible bashers", I believe.

"Bible-basher" is a common UK term, like "God-botherer".

Anyway, I understand from the news (and the news might be wrong) ...

Do you have no faith in anything?!? :eek:

... that the Higgs Boson can be measured and weighed. So does it have mass?

It manifests in Mass. Hence "god-particle".

It is this "thing" that a universe comes from, right? That is very cool. Where does it come from?

Somewhere exotic, like most cool things.
 
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manifests[/I] in Mass. Hence "god-particle".

From what I've heard it was originally "goddamn particle" because it was so hard to find. They couldn't use that term in publications so it just became "god particle".
 
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What did you find so good about the article?

Speaking for myself : The title is a grabber (not all sub-eds are brain-dead, as is commonly supposed), which is a good start. It's written with some style, and the structure is excellent : it rattles through the actual experiment in a few paras and from a slightly unusual (that is, non-tabloid) angle, tees up the shot with the "practical applications" para, then gets right into the meat.

And it's real meat (thanks, jimtron :)). Not scientific meat, of course, but none the less satisfying for that. Science makes predictions like the Higg's, seeks, and finds. Superstition makes predictions like the Rapture or a tall dark stranger to drag your life out of the toilet, and sod-all happens.

Science also makes predictions such as super-symmetric particles, but they seem not to be found, despite the seeking. If it's confirmed that they should have been found at CERN if they exist, but weren't, then we'll see another difference between science and superstition manifest itself.
 
Speaking for myself : The title is a grabber (not all sub-eds are brain-dead, as is commonly supposed), which is a good start. It's written with some style, and the structure is excellent : it rattles through the actual experiment in a few paras and from a slightly unusual (that is, non-tabloid) angle, tees up the shot with the "practical applications" para, then gets right into the meat.

And it's real meat (thanks, jimtron :)). Not scientific meat, of course, but none the less satisfying for that. Science makes predictions like the Higg's, seeks, and finds. Superstition makes predictions like the Rapture or a tall dark stranger to drag your life out of the toilet, and sod-all happens.

Science also makes predictions such as super-symmetric particles, but they seem not to be found, despite the seeking. If it's confirmed that they should have been found at CERN if they exist, but weren't, then we'll see another difference between science and superstition manifest itself.

However I have to ask what fantastic insights into the debate between religion and science did this article present. And thats my main complaint did anyone see anything not encountered constantly on this forum, yet the author writes like he's had some wonderful flash of insight into the world of man.
 
From what I've heard it was originally "goddamn particle" because it was so hard to find. They couldn't use that term in publications so it just became "god particle".
Here's the quote from Lederman's book (as it appears at Wikipedia):
"Today ... we have the standard model, which reduces all of reality to a dozen or so particles and four forces. ... It's a hard-won simplicity [...and...] remarkably accurate. But it is also incomplete and, in fact, internally inconsistent... This boson is so central to the state of physics today, so crucial to our final understanding of the structure of matter, yet so elusive, that I have given it a nickname: the God Particle. Why God Particle? Two reasons. One, the publisher wouldn't let us call it the Goddamn Particle, though that might be a more appropriate title, given its villainous nature and the expense it is causing. And two, there is a connection, of sorts, to another book, a much older one..."​
I very much doubt that he had a serious discussion with the publisher about the term "goddamn particle". So I think he actually thought that "god particle" was a good name for it. I would be very surprised if more than 1/1000 physicists like that term. Most of them probably hate it. I'm not a physicist, but my education is in physics, and I think it's the single worst term for anything in science. It's a horrible, absurd term.
 
I think it's the single worst term for anything in science. It's a horrible, absurd term.

No worse than the "Big Bang" that many forget started as a joke, and is about as inaccurate as you can get to describe the event.
 
However I have to ask what fantastic insights into the debate between religion and science did this article present. And thats my main complaint did anyone see anything not encountered constantly on this forum, yet the author writes like he's had some wonderful flash of insight into the world of man.

It's in the Washington Post, not this self-selected Forum. If you think this guy's style suggests a "wonderful flash of insight" I dread to imagine what you think of me.
 
No worse than the "Big Bang" that many forget started as a joke, and is about as inaccurate as you can get to describe the event.

Something we should never forget is that out generations have had so many such popular misunderstandings to appreciate. The best efforts of journalists can't obliterate that :).
 
I was prepared for a different discussion. :D

Yeah, my very first thought was to wonder how they'd managed to detect any superposition in the very brief time the H had managed to exist. I mean, it's a fundamental particle, so superposition is presumably a given, but....
 
What did you find so good about the article?

Apart from seeing a good description of some science in a major media outlet, it also had this gem. (To repeat the OP.)

The illiterate sheepherders of the Middle East, upon whose wisdom many people base their worldview, were wrong about the size, shape, structure, location, formation, behavior, age, and relative importance of the Earth. They were wrong about astronomy, biology, chemistry, cosmology, history, geography, geology, medicine, zoology, the treatment of women and personal grooming. And pretty much everything else. In the absence of science, they operated on superstition. It’s not that they didn’t know the right answers, they didn’t even know the questions. Rather than real knowledge, they produced urban legends and destructive cultural behaviors that plague mankind to this day. The ancient religions possess no methodology for the validation of knowledge, but are quite good at the denial and destruction of knowledge. You can look it up on their Web sites.

I can see only one possible error in that critique of religion, so 9*/10 :)
 

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