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Heiwa's bathroom scale experiment

Heiwa

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As JREF posters discussing the WTC1 collapse on the Pizza Box Tower thread don't know the difference between weight/mass (kg) and force (N) and moving bodies, let's do a new experiment in the bathroom in this thread and prove Bazant and NIST wrong, i.e. debunk them.

All you need is a bathroom scale! And a bathroom. And a ladder.

Assume you are in the bathroom and step on the scale and that it announces that your weight it 120 kgs (or what ever that is in US - 20 inches)! OK, you are only 160 cms (what is that - 3 lbs?) tall, so you are a small, fat weight, but who cares. Most Americans are overweight.

Actually the scale does not register your weight but the force (via a magic device inside the scale) you apply to the scale - in this case about 1180 N - and then it transforms this force into weight - 120 kgs. Ok, big belly but otherwise quite fit.

So far so good. Now the experiment. You are going to jump on the scale from 3.7 meters height and see, if your weight changes. Of course your bathroom has a high ceiling. Americans have big houses.

OK, get the ladder into the bathroom and step up to the 3.7 m level. Don't knock your head against the ceiling.

Now jump on the scale!! WOSH, BANG!

What is your weight? Still 120 kgs! The scale records the same weight.

Good!

I hope you survived the experiment, because you just simulated the upper block of WTC1 dropping on the lower structure that pulverized it on 9/11. You evidently didn't pulverize the scale as you survived and checked your weight. 120 kgs. Bathroom is still intact!

Now a lot of people will say that your weight changed, when you impacted the scale, but it was 120 kgs before and after the experiment, so why would it change in between?

Now a lot of people will object and say that the force on the scale was not 1180 N on the scale during the experiment. That is correct. It was 0 N before jump and 1180 N after jump/survival and checking the result. It thus changed from 0 to 1180 N.

But you will object again - it was >1180 N after contacting scale after jump and when you read the result on scale after survival.

OK, but you normally do not measure your weight by jumping from 3.7 meters on your bathroom scale! So whatever you measure then, was not your weight.

WARNING! As you are not very rigid, you may kill yourself, jumping on your bathroom scale. Actually, you will prove that the upper block of WTC1 would be destroyed, when impacting the lower structure (the scale) which is very good. R.I.P.
 
As JREF posters discussing the WTC1 collapse on the Pizza Box Tower thread don't know the difference between weight/mass (kg) and force (N) and moving bodies, let's do a new experiment in the bathroom in this thread and prove Bazant and NIST wrong, i.e. debunk them.

All you need is a bathroom scale! And a bathroom. And a ladder.

Assume you are in the bathroom and step on the scale and that it announces that your weight it 120 kgs (or what ever that is in US - 20 inches)! OK, you are only 160 cms (what is that - 3 lbs?) tall, so you are a small, fat weight, but who cares. Most Americans are overweight.

Actually the scale does not register your weight but the force (via a magic device inside the scale) you apply to the scale - in this case about 1180 N - and then it transforms this force into weight - 120 kgs. Ok, big belly but otherwise quite fit.

So far so good. Now the experiment. You are going to jump on the scale from 3.7 meters height and see, if your weight changes. Of course your bathroom has a high ceiling. Americans have big houses.

OK, get the ladder into the bathroom and step up to the 3.7 m level. Don't knock your head against the ceiling.

Now jump on the scale!! WOSH, BANG!

What is your weight? Still 120 kgs! The scale records the same weight.

Good!

I hope you survived the experiment, because you just simulated the upper block of WTC1 dropping on the lower structure that pulverized it on 9/11. You evidently didn't pulverize the scale as you survived and checked your weight. 120 kgs. Bathroom is still intact!

Now a lot of people will say that your weight changed, when you impacted the scale, but it was 120 kgs before and after the experiment, so why would it change in between?

Now a lot of people will object and say that the force on the scale was not 1180 N on the scale during the experiment. That is correct. It was 0 N before jump and 1180 N after jump/survival and checking the result. It thus changed from 0 to 1180 N.

But you will object again - it was >1180 N after contacting scale after jump and when you read the result on scale after survival.

OK, but you normally do not measure your weight by jumping from 3.7 meters on your bathroom scale! So whatever you measure then, was not your weight.

WARNING! As you are not very rigid, you may kill yourself, jumping on your bathroom scale. Actually, you will prove that the upper block of WTC1 would be destroyed, when impacting the lower structure (the scale) which is very good. R.I.P.
My scale has a tell tale that records max (momentary) load. My 200* lbs maxed out the scale (*350+). (I only jumped from less than one meter)
Now what?

Lbs*
 
He is that stupid.
My digital bathroom scales record - transiently - far more than my actual "weight" when I jump on them.
 
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You cant possibly be that stupid. My bathroom scale spikes when I jump on it.

Congratulations - it took you 6 minutes to (not) carry out the experiment due faulty equipment. Let's hear from somebody really doing the jump with proper scale!
 
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My scale has a tell tale that records max (momentary) load. My 200* lbs maxed out the scale (*350+). (I only jumped from less than one meter)
Now what?

Lbs*

Pls do a proper experiment - jump from 3.7 m! And keep a sharp eye on the scale.
 
:boggled:

I just read DGM's quote.

Wow. Just wow.

Despite the fact that the act of slowing you to a stop (decelerating you) causes the scale to record a value much higher than your weight, Heiwa still thinks that balancing the forces will result in a change in velocity.


I call Poe.

Nobody can be this confused about the difference between static and dynamic situations.
 
Just for laughs I jumped on my old scale and it broke! It didn't break when I just stepped on it. How is this possible, Heiwa?
 
:boggled:

I just read DGM's quote.

Wow. Just wow.

Despite the fact that the act of slowing you to a stop (decelerating you) causes the scale to record a value much higher than your weight, Heiwa still thinks that balancing the forces will result in a change in velocity.


I call Poe.

Nobody can be this confused about the difference between static and dynamic situations.

Pls, do the experiment ... and then post comment.

It seems DMG only jumped from one meter and managed to decelerate to zero velocity in order to survive. During deceleration/change/reduction of velocity DMG also managed to check the scale. Quite good. Now, let's do it from 3.7 meters.

But so far so good. Nobody has collapsed any scales or bathroom floors so far! Just carry on!
 
i have a plastic bathroom scale, if i jump on it from 3.7m im fairly certain i will break it, its a 60 dollar scale, so i wont be doing that, although if you paypal me th emoney for a replacement ill gladly jump on it from as high as i feel comfortable, i feel the result will be very significant to the discussion

Actually the scale does not register your weight but the force (via a magic device inside the scale) you apply to the scale - in this case about 1180 N - and then it transforms this force into weight - 120 kgs. Ok, big belly but otherwise quite fit.
it was my understanding that 120kg is a mass, and 1180 N is more accurately described as a weight (IE mass times gravity)
 
"As JREF posters discussing the WTC1 collapse on the Pizza Box Tower thread don't know the difference between weight/mass (kg) and force (N) and moving bodies"

This coming from a guy who thinks pizza boxes accurately represents a 110 story building....
 
You have been on my ignore list for long time, but as you were the first to report on experiment, I thought you had died, so I removed you from the list. I will put you back.

putting anyone on ignore does not make you any less wrong. It does not matter what posts you can see. It matters that everyone else can see us point out your fallacies for what they are.
 
"As JREF posters discussing the WTC1 collapse on the Pizza Box Tower thread don't know the difference between weight/mass (kg) and force (N) and moving bodies"

This coming from a guy who thinks pizza boxes accurately represents a 110 story building....


It's self-refuting anyways.

Note how he lists weight with mass, and implies it is different than force.
Newsflash: Weight is a force measurement.


Which is one of the reasons I call Poe.
 
Huh? What? Jumping on a balance proves that 9/11 is an inside job?
What about this:
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? and this ?

I thought french troofers were the stupidest guys on Earth, I was wrong.
 
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