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Health care crisis

Bikewer

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I tend to listen to the radio all day as I drive around in my squad car, mostly NPR. As a result, I get a lot of input on current affairs….Thus this rant:

While the president gallivants around the country pushing whatever Social Security agenda he’ll eventually decide on (by all accounts to little effect), the real looming crisis is in health care; Medicare/Medicaid.

Costs continue to spiral upwards, while the numbers of consumers grow as well, due not only to better medical care itself, but to the soon-to-enter-the-rolls Boomer generation, myself included.
The Federal response to date appears to be to throw more and more pressure back on to the states, which are increasingly more unable to meet the challenge. Here in Missouri, for instance, our newly-elected governor is proposing 600+million in cuts in related programs, denying or limiting care to a large segment of the population least able to care for themselves. Closing down state-run mental facilities, for instance, and throwing state-supported patients back into the arms of their families, who are unable to afford treatment to begin with.
I’m assuming that this is the case across the country, for the most part. Our state promises a new, leaner, more efficient health-care delivery system that will operate fairly and, of course, more cheaply. Knowing the effectiveness of our august legislature, I have some reservations…

Anyway, this seems like a general trend. As enormous deficits continue to accumulate, as health-care costs continue to rise, and as an increasingly-aging population continues to grow, we face a fiscal crisis that makes the sometime-in-the-future social security problem seem like small potatoes. I think it’s fair to say that I express the worry of many authorities in the field with this.

I know that the conservative view is that we should be taking care of all this ourselves. That we should be saving more, investing carefully, putting aside money for our future health-care, and so forth. This may well be the best option for that segment of our society that has the resources, but at some point conservatives are going to have to realize that a rather large percentage of our population simply has no discretionary income. We have 40+ million without any health insurance whatever. I don’t know what segment has inadequate or limited insurance. My wife’s gall-bladder operation a few years ago carried a final tally of about 40,000.00. We paid 124.00. Were she uninsured, a situation which existed until only a few years ago, we would have been bankrupted. A more serious or prolonged problem would have been far more expensive, of course.

The administration’s only response to this so far seems to be a large-scale push towards Tort Reform, which will somehow magically lower costs for the health-care industry.
Many skeptics have pointed out that the few questionable large-payout court cases make no difference whatever regarding overall costs for the industry, and most of these are reduced on appeal.
Perhaps the politicos are still reeling from the reception that greeted Hillary’s plan…

It seems to me that our bold, decisive leaders are going to have to make painful decisions at some point, and not worry about passing same on to the next administration. I am referring to the dreaded “T” option, of course.
As little as I understand the mechanics of high finance, it is apparent that we are, relative to most of the industrialized countries, the most under taxed nation. The European model of high taxes and socialized medicine (and other services) is, of course, highly controversial here. Even the mention of raising taxes is often political suicide. Here in Missouri, we have the Hancock amendment, which requires voter approval for anything other than the most routine adjustments.

Seems to me that our nation must make a decision. Do we want a country that may become more and more like our class-divided third-world? With the well-to-do enjoying the fruits of democracy and Laissez-Faire capitalism, while the underclass is left to fend for themselves? Oh, I know that the conservatives see things much differently, with an essentially Libertarian outlook solving all problems and “The Market” allowing private-sectors to run everything in the most efficient and inexpensive manner possible.
Excuse me for thinking that this is utter nonsense. One has only to read history and the daily paper to see how efficiently and inexpensively the private sector behaves. Enron nearly bankrupted the state of California, after all. Scandals, book-cooking, kickbacks, bribery, corruption, price-fixing, conspiracy….And all this with “growth-limiting” regulations in place.

What do you think? The GNP of our nation is enormous beyond most folk’s imagining. Can we sustain the social programs that we have come to expect? Is a social safety-net a necessity? A good idea in the first place?
 
We spend an enormous amount of money keeping people alive in their last 6 months or year of life, when their actual quality of life is extremely poor.

As a society we need to make a decision. Do we do absolutely everything possible for my 85 y/o grandma who has all kinds of serious debilitating chronic diseases? Who knows, maybe she'll make a recovery and live for 10 more years. But most likely even if we spend $100 million on her she wont survive very long.

From patients I've seen, most people opt for the "do absolutely everything you can for me doc."

Maybe europeans are different and say "I dont care about living another year doc, just put me in hospice/palliative care."
 
Closing down state-run mental facilities, for instance, and throwing state-supported patients back into the arms of their families, who are unable to afford treatment to begin with.
In Texas, the legislature asked for bids from the private sector for taking over the state mental hospital system. No one offered a bid, because they simply can't maintain the status quo of services and turn a profit. So much for private industry always doing better than government.
 
For some reason I've never determined, the university attracts mentally ill persons like a magnet. Frequently these people are homeless as well, as you note.

A fairly recent NPR segment talked about the downward spiral of so many of the mentally ill. When symptoms appear, frequently as young adults, they may well be insured through employers. But most HMOs only have limited mental-health coverage.
With limited care, increasing symptoms lead to job loss.

Job loss rapidly leads to financial difficulties, and homelessness. At the state level, (at least ours...) it seems to be very difficult to get legislators to adress the problems of the mentally ill.
Yet we end up paying for them at some point anyway, when they end up in state "institutions", or prison.
 
I have met a few schizophrenics. They were basically nice people, harmless, and very intelligent. No way could some of them hold down a job. And prone to suicide, the inability to do anything like hold down a job made them very sad.

Is there any correlation between over training the brain and mental illness?
 
a_unique_person said:
Is there any correlation between over training the brain and mental illness?

Do you feel you've been over trained?
 
I'm thinking we'd have Plenty of money for Healthcare if we werent spending 20-40k a year per inmate/ > 1 million inmates for non-violent drug issues.
 
I'm inclined to agree, see my posts in the "78-year-old grandmother busted for pot" thread.

Of course, you have to wonder if the health-care industry would be any more inclined to treat addiction than it is mental illness.

Part of the problem with mental illness, as far as treatment goes, is that in the case of psychotics there is no real cure, and so you're looking at very long-term care which can be quite expensive. Bad for the bottom line, you know.
 

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