Happy Birthday Satan!

[Brattus]

OK. I know that Halloween is not Satans birthday and never meant to be.
I just thought it was a funny title.

Anyway, last night I was talking with a Christian friend and she told me that there were no true atheist.
She said that people who claim to be atheist are really Satan worshipers who are hiding behind the word atheist.

I have to be honest and say that I was a little offended.
Not because she was calling me a Satan worshiper but because she was calling me a Christian.

I tried to explain to her that to be a Satan worshiper one has to be a Christian because Satan only lives in the fictitious world of Christianity.
Needless to say she flipped out after I said that.

I guess I lost a friend over it. She was really nutty about a lot of other things anyway.
Who knows, maybe she needs to believe I am truly evil to help her cling to her beliefs.

So, was I wrong?

To be a Satan worshiper(if there even is such a thing) does one have to be a Christian?
Can the two things stand alone?

I can't see how they can but that's not saying much.

 

[Marduk]

So, was I wrong?

Yes, totally, instead of using your evil powers to beguile and philosophise you would have saved time by using them to seduce. That way anytime in the future you could have shut her up by using your evil power of manipulation by threatening to tell her friends thats she found atheists sexually attractive

 

[Bishadi]

OK. I know that Halloween is not Satans birthday and never meant to be.
I just thought it was a funny title.

i thought it was cute too

Anyway, last night I was talking with a Christian friend and she told me that there were no true atheist.

in a sense that is true. As an atheist is usually a label given to another by a theist.

My pun is that an atheist is usually and evolved theist.

She said that people who claim to be atheist are really Satan worshipers who are hiding behind the word atheist.

Funny as it seems to me the best way to observe an anti-christ is to watch a christian; they will lie to believe.

Read Matt 16:20

I have to be honest and say that I was a little offended.
Not because she was calling me a Satan worshiper but because she was calling me a Christian.

cute.... now read John 14:30.... to get jesus' perspective

I tried to explain to her that to be a Satan worshiper one has to be a Christian because Satan only lives in the fictitious world of Christianity.
Needless to say she flipped out after I said that.

I guess I lost a friend over it. She was really nutty about a lot of other things anyway.
Who knows, maybe she needs to believe I am truly evil to help her cling to her beliefs.

So, was I wrong?

nope

as many will be upset to find what they believed is true is actually poppy cop.

Which means, to be honest, will just ruin the day of many.

But think in my eyes, if there is no such thing as magic and the ends times were actually upon this earth, when a women brings here dying child to your feet and asked for magic to fix the child, who is going to be responsible for telling that woman magic is not the answer, nor will magic fix anything?

ie.... the religious will pay for futhering lies (one way or another)

To be a Satan worshiper(if there even is such a thing) does one have to be a Christian?
Can the two things stand alone?

not in my eyes.....

i see the 2 as married as well.

To me, i believe it came from the lies that 'we the people' are not responsible for our actions. ie... that each of us is incapable of either good or bad, by choice. (that basis of separating mankind from his own personal responsibilities is what divided many from being responsible for their actions)

So to observe in the fashion that satan and christians are kind of married is evidenced in more ways than you can imagine.

ie... simply to false witness, is evil (in a real sense)

 

[TimCallahan]

To the degree that there are actually Satanists, yes, they would have to come from a Christian context and culture, but wouldn't necessarily have even originally been Christians. The important thing about Satanists, of whatever stripe, is that they are specifically reacting against Christianity.

You might point out to your friend that it is only in the Christian scriptures that "Satan" is even a name. In the Hebrew scriptures, this personage is referred to as ha satan, meaning "the adversary" or "the accuser." He was, in essence, God's prosecutor, rather than his enemy. In the Book of Enoch, written ca. 160 BCE, an angelic revolt is led by Shemhazi. One of the notable rebel angels is Azazel. Satan is not mentioned, because, even at that comparatively late date, he was still ha satan, God's prosecutor.

 

[Craig4]

I'm not sure how many times people I thought to be otherwise intelligent have asked if I worshiped the Devil when they learned I was an atheist. I should be used to it by now but my jaw always drops when I get asked that. Sure, sound bite fundamentalists will give you that but I don't expect thought from them. These would be educated people who should have the ability to reason through that it's hard to worship someone you don't believe in. Is this really the level of mainstream discussion we've reached on the topic of religion?

 

[Marduk]

In the Book of Enoch, written ca. 160 BCE, an angelic revolt is led by Shemhazi. One of the notable rebel angels is Azazel. Satan is not mentioned, because, even at that comparatively late date, he was still ha satan, God's prosecutor.

He's called Satanail in 2 Enoch, which is around 350 years younger, thats the period of Satans creation right there, christianity invented him from half understood beliefs they had plagiarised in the same way that the old testament was created from the mythology of older cultures
nothing new under the sun is there

I'm not sure how many times people I thought to be otherwise intelligent have asked if I worshiped the Devil when they learned I was an atheist.

Silly silly, if theyd asked how many babes you'd eaten that week, at least you could have come up with a humourous retort

 

[Brattus]

Yes, totally, instead of using your evil powers to beguile and philosophise you would have saved time by using them to seduce. That way anytime in the future you could have shut her up by using your evil power of manipulation by threatening to tell her friends thats she found atheists sexually attractive

You caught me. I admit I was maintaining her friendship in hopes of getting a little sumthin sumthin.
She has got nice hooters!

But, she asked me point blank what my beliefs are.
I may be an evil Satan worshiper but I'm not a liar.
So I told her.

Now I'm not gonna be gettin' none o' that!

 

[Marduk]

You caught me. I admit I was maintaining her friendship in hopes of getting a little sumthin sumthin.
She has got nice hooters!

But, she asked me point blank what my beliefs are.
I may be an evil Satan worshiper but I'm not a liar.
So I told her.

Now I'm not gonna be gettin' none o' that!

pffft, amateur, go round there tonight and tell her you found Jesus.

Tomorrow of course you can lose him again

 

[Brattus]

pffft, amateur, go round there tonight and tell her you found Jesus.

Tomorrow of course you can lose him again

LOL! You have caught me once again. I talk a good game but I could never do that.

Just because I don't share her or others religious beliefs does not mean I don't respect their right to maintain whatever world view they choose.

I have always been weak that way.

 

[Marduk]

LOL! You have caught me once again. I talk a good game but I could never do that.

Just because I don't share her or others religious beliefs does not mean I don't respect their right to maintain whatever world view they choose.

I have always been weak that way.

what about her sister ?

 

[Brattus]

what about her sister ?

LOL! I like the way you think!

 

[The Norseman]

what about her sister ?

I find your ideas interesting and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

 

[Brattus]

To the degree that there are actually Satanists, yes, they would have to come from a Christian context and culture, but wouldn't necessarily have even originally been Christians. The important thing about Satanists, of whatever stripe, is that they are specifically reacting against Christianity

But it's all the same thing though right?
For them to believe in Satan they HAVE to believe in the Christian God.
To believe in the Christian God that would make them Christians.

Satan worshipers just express their Christian beliefs in a different manner than the typical Christians do.

 

[TubbaBlubba]

"You showed me Jesus, it's time for me to show you something."

 

[Didaktylos]

pffft, amateur, go round there tonight and tell her you found Jesus.

Tomorrow of course you can lose him again

I found Jesus once - he'd slipped down behind the sofa cushions, along with a couple of pens, about 20 pence in assorted copper change, half a comb and a rather dessicated apple core.

 

[Marduk]

But it's all the same thing though right?
For them to believe in Satan they HAVE to believe in the Christian God.
To believe in the Christian God that would make them Christians.

Satan worshipers just express their Christian beliefs in a different manner than the typical Christians do.

nope, the most well known and publicised satanists (LaVeyan) are also Atheists, Agnostics and Apatheists

Many groups just regard the name "Satan" as an easily identifiable figurehead around which to worship the nature of satan which the bible only mentions because he really existed, they tend to therefore regard the rest of Judaeo christianity as deluded

 

[Brattus]

"You showed me Jesus, it's time for me to show you something."

That's when she answers back. "OH God! OH God! OH God!"




Or so I would like to think.

 

[MG1962]

Satan worshipers just express their Christian beliefs in a different manner than the typical Christians do.

No they would be Satanist - Christian means follower of Christ. Buddhist is a follower of the teachings of Buddah, so and so forth.

 

[Brattus]

nope, the most well known and publicised satanists (LaVeyan) are also Atheists, Agnostics and Apatheists

Many groups just regard the name "Satan" as an easily identifiable figurehead around which to worship the nature of satan which the bible only mentions because he really existed, they tend to therefore regard the rest of Judaeo christianity as deluded

Well Marduk from reading some of your previous post I know you know what you're talking about here but I still don't get it.

How can an Atheist worship a God of any kind?
My understanding of the word worship is not living by some idea or ideals set up in fiction by a make believe being.

But rather to devote ones life and serve what is believed to be a real deity.

So to worship Satan as a Satan worshiper would do they would need to believe that Satan is a real deity that is part of the real world.
So if they believe Satan is real then how could they not believe in the Christian God?

Biblically speaking didn't God create Satan?
Like I said I don't get it.

 

[Brattus]

No they would be Satanist - Christian means follower of Christ. Buddhist is a follower of the teachings of Buddah, so and so forth.

Oh I see. OK. I never thought of that. Thanks! But a Satanist would still get their water from the same well as a Christian so to speak.