Guns and cars

[merphie]

I have heard many people comparing cars to guns. Some would say if we have driver's license then why can't we license guns? If we register cars , why can't we register guns.

I got to thinking this idea could be good, but we need to upgrade vehicle laws first.

In order for cars to be on par with gun laws (In the USA) we need to make some changes.

Here is a few I can think of.

-All traffic violations would become misdemeanors.

-Traffic laws already a misdemeanor would become a Felony.

-To purchase a vehicle you must first pass a federal background check with the NCIC Instant Check.

-Any felony conviction will revoke your drivers license for the rest of your life.

-If you commit a crime with a vehicle your sentence will be enhanced by 10 years.

-Buying a vehicle for someone who can not will get you 5 years.

-Large or fast vehicles would be banned.

-You must be 21 to purchase a vehicle and 18 to own one.

-Cities would be allowed to allowed to sue vehicle manufactuers for criminal misuse of their product.

-Taxes would be increase dramatically on all vehicle purchase.

Did I forget anything?

 

[LostAngeles]

Formation of the NAA demaning their Twenty-Ninth Amendment Rights?

Endless debating on what that Amendment says.

Still nobody understanding that the bit about Constitutional Amendments and the Founding Fathers in the Foreword of America: The Book was actually serious.

 

[merphie]

Formation of the NAA demaning their Twenty-Ninth Amendment Rights?

Endless debating on what that Amendment says.

Still nobody understanding that the bit about Constitutional Amendments and the Founding Fathers in the Foreword of America: The Book was actually serious.

Hey I was talking about bringing vehicles up to par. Not restricting them further. You are getting ahead of the game here.

 

[Ranb]

Did I forget anything?

A $200 tax and the local sheriff's permission to buy a muffler and have it installed by a licensed dealer. Or you could jump through the same hoops to make one for yourself, but if it breaks, you are not allowed to replace any of the parts that broke. You could make a new one (another $200 tax), or send it away to get it repaired by an authorized dealer.

Required to get special permission from the Fed's to upgrade your engine greater than 5 inch cylinder bore.

Gas tank capacity of greater than ten gallons would be prohibited in Hawaii, maybe some other states too.

A concealed transport permit would be required to move your car in a covered trailer off your own property.

Driving on public property would be prohibited except by the police and military.


Ranb

 

[Kevin_Lowe]

I think this thread is insufficiently silly.

Imagine if we made the same rules apply to fluffy toys as we do to anthrax! Kids wouldn't be allowed to have them, and men in white coats would handle them with those big rubber gloves that stick through the wall! There would be a huge panic if someone sent fluffy toys in the mail!

 

[clk]

Did I forget anything?

Yeah, you did. Guns and cars are totally different. Guns are made purely for destruction. Cars are methods of transportation. You can't kill someone 200 yards away from you with a car. You can kill them with a high powered rifle, though.

 

[WildCat]

All of that is unnecessary. Just lower all speed limits to 5 mph. "If it saves just one life, it's worth it".

 

[webfusion]

speeding cars don't stop on a dime

"You can't kill someone 200 yards away from you with a car."

Oh yes you can! A complete review of braking reaction times, and optimum stopping distances is reviewed here:
http://www.csgnetwork.com/stopdistcalc.html

At 90mph (which seems to be the new national speed) -- it takes about 600 feet to come to a stop. That's 200 yards.

Next case.
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Vehicles aren't made (purely) for destruction:

They certainly do a mighty fine job of destruction, however.

 

[Tmy]

Im thinking cars are taxed and regulated far more than guns. THey have to meet all sorts of safety standards so they dont harm people (guns are designed to be dangerous to people.)

I pay excise taxes on my car every year, toll taxes, regsitartion taxes. I have to have it inspected every year. Do guns get taxed continually?

By law I have to wear my seatbelt (Guns arent required tohave trigger locks)

I have to carry car insurance. (IS there such a thing as mandatory gun insurance?)

I must have my licence plate visable at all times. (I can get a conceled gun permit.)


You know what. The guns dont realize how good they have it.

 

[Tmy]

Hmmm. What do you all think about compulsary gun insurance!

If your gun injuries someone, or is stolen, or is used by someone else who causes damages, we'd have the insurance company to foot the bills. Why shoudl soceity bear the costs of the havoc.

This treating guns like cars thing just might work after all.

 

[Thanz]

Re: speeding cars don't stop on a dime

"You can't kill someone 200 yards away from you with a car."

Oh yes you can! A complete review of braking reaction times, and optimum stopping distances is reviewed here:
http://www.csgnetwork.com/stopdistcalc.html

At 90mph (which seems to be the new national speed) -- it takes about 600 feet to come to a stop. That's 200 yards.

Next case.

Well, other than completely ignoring the fact that a speeding car doesn't kill someone from 200 yards away, but only when it hits that person, you almost have a point.

I say almost because your mythical 90 mph car that kills someone from 200 yards away is actually stopping. When it gets to 200 yards, it is stopped. Which means it won't kill you.

Next stupid argument.

 

[clk]

Re: speeding cars don't stop on a dime

"You can't kill someone 200 yards away from you with a car."

Oh yes you can! A complete review of braking reaction times, and optimum stopping distances is reviewed here:
http://www.csgnetwork.com/stopdistcalc.html

At 90mph (which seems to be the new national speed) -- it takes about 600 feet to come to a stop. That's 200 yards.

I don't think this counts, because when you have killed the person, you are right next to them. Although you may have been going 90 mph when you were 200 yards away, by the time you are done braking, you are right next to the person you are trying to kill. Also, it's probably pretty hard to run over a person with a car going 90 mph, because the only place you can really go 90 mph is on the highway, and there are not many people who walk along the side of a highway. You would also have the problem of witnesses, so if you ran someone over, there's a good chance you would get caught fairly quickly. In contrast, a sniper hiding in the woods has a very good chance of getting away with the crime.

Vehicles aren't made (purely) for destruction:

They certainly do a mighty fine job of destruction, however.

Anyone who uses their vehicles to destroy stuff or to kill people is clearly misusing it. Guns are made for destruction..

 

[Ranb]

.......I pay excise taxes on my car every year, toll taxes, regsitartion taxes. I have to have it inspected every year. Do guns get taxed continually?

By law I have to wear my seatbelt (Guns arent required tohave trigger locks)

I have to carry car insurance. (IS there such a thing as mandatory gun insurance?)

I must have my licence plate visable at all times. (I can get a conceled gun permit.)


You know what. The guns dont realize how good they have it.

I think it is Illinois that requires a gun owner to pay for his/her state gun permit each year or they have to give up all of their guns.

You only need car insurance if you drive on public roads.

Ditto for the plates.

People go on and on about how they have to do this and that so they can drive. But most of it only applies to driving on public roads. There are far fewer places to just go out and shoot (not hunting) in public.

Yes, this thread is silly. But there are a few decent points made from both sides.

Ranb

 

[merphie]

I think this thread is insufficiently silly.

Imagine if we made the same rules apply to fluffy toys as we do to anthrax! Kids wouldn't be allowed to have them, and men in white coats would handle them with those big rubber gloves that stick through the wall! There would be a huge panic if someone sent fluffy toys in the mail!

Just as silly as the suggestion that guns should be as restricted as cars.

 

[merphie]

Re: Re: Guns and cars

Yeah, you did. Guns and cars are totally different.

Agreed. Anti-gun political groups make the argument all the time.

Guns are made purely for destruction. Cars are methods of transportation.

Your opinion.

You can't kill someone 200 yards away from you with a car. You can kill them with a high powered rifle, though.

I don't agree. A car 200 yards away can travel that distance in a short amount of time.

 

[merphie]

Im thinking cars are taxed and regulated far more than guns. THey have to meet all sorts of safety standards so they dont harm people (guns are designed to be dangerous to people.)

I pay excise taxes on my car every year, toll taxes, regsitartion taxes. I have to have it inspected every year. Do guns get taxed continually?

By law I have to wear my seatbelt (Guns arent required tohave trigger locks)

I have to carry car insurance. (IS there such a thing as mandatory gun insurance?)

I must have my licence plate visable at all times. (I can get a conceled gun permit.)


You know what. The guns dont realize how good they have it.

Perhaps you should look at the break down of the price of guns. I know a percent of money from the purchase goes to wildlife conservation.

You probably pay excise tax on your car because of your state. In Oklahoma we do not have an excise tax except for purchase or transfers. We also do not have inspections.

Wearing your seatbelt is a traffic fine. You can even legally loan your car to a convicted felon. You can go to jail for transporting your guns incorrectly.

Even though insurance is only required on public roads, if you do crash into someone (assuming no deaths) you don't go to jail for attempted murder.

 

[Tmy]

Perhaps you should look at the break down of the price of guns. I know a percent of money from the purchase goes to wildlife conservation.

You probably pay excise tax on your car because of your state. In Oklahoma we do not have an excise tax except for purchase or transfers. We also do not have inspections.

Wearing your seatbelt is a traffic fine. You can even legally loan your car to a convicted felon. You can go to jail for transporting your guns incorrectly.

Even though insurance is only required on public roads, if you do crash into someone (assuming no deaths) you don't go to jail for attempted murder.

Cars have way more restrictions. THey can only be so big n tall. And you need different licenses for different vehicles. (I can drive a car. I cant drive a semi truck. I needed to get another license to drive my motorcycle.)

 

[Kerberos]

Even though insurance is only required on public roads, if you do crash into someone (assuming no deaths) you don't go to jail for attempted murder.

You don't?

 

[merphie]

Cars have way more restrictions. THey can only be so big n tall. And you need different licenses for different vehicles. (I can drive a car. I cant drive a semi truck. I needed to get another license to drive my motorcycle.)

Guns can only be done certain ways. I can't own a fully automatic weapon, AP ammunition, or sawed-off shotgun without an expensive permit from the FFL.

Another license for a motorcycle? That maybe something in your area. I don't think we have such a thing here. I know a 15 year old can get a motocycle license. However I think class D (standard) is required for that. A different class is required for an 18 wheeler, but I believe it is a little training and maybe a test.

 

[merphie]

You don't?

Good now read what I said ealier. Assuming not deaths. I wasn't talking about intent to kill

If you bump into someone and only cause damage to their car then you don't go to jail. If you are sober and not on drugs and kill someone in your car (not intentionally) you don't go to jail.

Pointing a firearm at someone (Unless in lawful self defense) is a felony. Pointing your keys/car at someone is rude.

Giving a gun to a felon is a felony. Giving your car to a felon is probably a bad iddea.

Possession of a firearm on school property is a felony. Having your car on school property is a convience.

If you carry a gun on places that is restricted it is a misdemeanor. Taking your car to a restricted place is a parking fine.

Discharging your gun in a public place or building (etc) is a felony. Starting your car. . . .Depends on the car.