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Greenpeace & its hypocritical advert

StewartP

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Greenpeace hates 4x4s. They have a compaign currently running to parallel the British Motor Show. On the eite there is an advert showing a man being shunned, villified, sworn at, his coffee spat in.

His crime? Paedophile? Animal abuse? No. He owns a 4x4

The advert is here:
http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/gasguzzler/index.html
 
Not sure it's hypocritical.

Not very nice though.

Must remember not to drink the coffee if I go to greenpeace's office.
 
Forgive my ignorance about Greenpeace, but which part of the ad and/or its message is hypocritical? Do they manufacture and/or sell 4x4s? Are Greenpeace members generally known to own more 4x4s than the population in general? Do they believe that no person should ever be shunned no matter what the reason? If they so dislike 4x4 (and, not being very interested in cars, I have no idea if I would find this dislike justified or not), why should they not have an ad advocating that message?
 
StewartP said:
Greenpeace hates 4x4s. They have a compaign currently running to parallel the British Motor Show. On the eite there is an advert showing a man being shunned, villified, sworn at, his coffee spat in.

His crime? Paedophile? Animal abuse? No. He owns a 4x4

The advert is here:
http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/gasguzzler/index.html
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Misguided, factually dubious, naive, maybe just plain stupid.

Not sure about hypocritical though.
 
"What does your car say about you?"

how about

"What does your advert say about you?"

Answer - that your organisation is a joke.
 
Geckko said:
Misguided, factually dubious, naive, maybe just plain stupid.

Not sure about hypocritical though.
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In a nutshell.

Now this is SUV-related hypocrisy. And the disclaimer at the end of the story notwithstanding, General Motors' web site does not include the GMC Envoy in their list of flexible-fuel vehicles.
 
Let's just say that when the French bombed the Greenpeace ship(that's attached a bomb, not air assault - though I wouldn't care either way) I was not annoyed - sort of like if PETA offices were set on fire. Protest is fine, action against others as part of protest isn't so I have no problem when action protestors are appropriately responded (oh, wait, burning houses etc. to frighten others into acting the way the burners want is terrorism - I knew there was a reason I did not like Greenpeace and PETA ....I loathe terrorists.....EVEN THOUGH I LOVE ANIMALS AND BREATHEABLE AIR/DRINKABLE WATER, ETC.!!!)
 
Greenpeace have campaigned to ban chlorine, the 11th most abundant element in the earths crust. They ceased to be a scientifically based environmental organisation sometime in the 1980s. This advert doesn't suprise me in the slightest.
 
BPSCG said:
In a nutshell.

Now this is SUV-related hypocrisy. And the disclaimer at the end of the story notwithstanding, General Motors' web site does not include the GMC Envoy in their list of flexible-fuel vehicles.
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Maybe Obama is a gear head. His Envoy would have come with either the LL8 straight 6 engine or, more likely, the LM4 5.3 Litre V8. He could have had it converted (or done it himself or maybe his people who sent the disclaimer did it for him) to E85 use by swapping parts from the L59 flex fuel 5.3 Litre V8. Both engines use the same sleeved Aluminum block.

Or maybe GM gave him a specially prepared Envoy that's not available for sale yet. Although, they could have just given him a flex fuel Yukon without going to all the work.

It's possible. Probably not. Man, that's a really dumb lie.
 
RyanRoberts said:
Greenpeace have campaigned to ban chlorine, the 11th most abundant element in the earths crust. They ceased to be a scientifically based environmental organisation sometime in the 1980s. This advert doesn't suprise me in the slightest.
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I heard they're going to try and ban Oxygen because you can't make carbon dioxide - the cause of global warming - without it.
 
Since the popularity of "SUVs" is at least partly fashion then I suspect Greenpeace's approach is more along the right approach if you wish to discourage people from buying and driving them then appeals to other intangibles such as "carbon emissions".
 
Darat said:
Since the popularity of "SUVs" is at least partly fashion then I suspect Greenpeace's approach is more along the right approach if you wish to discourage people from buying and driving them then appeals to other intangibles such as "carbon emissions".
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That is the reason why it is stupid.

There is no inherint quality of a 4x4 per se that makes it less economic or a higher producer of CO2 than a family saloon, say.
 
Geckko said:
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There is no inherint quality of a 4x4 per se that makes it less economic or a higher producer of CO2 than a family saloon, say.
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Without offering support either for or against Greenpeace's position on the matter surely there is - SUVs mass more so putting the same engine in the 4 ton SUV and the 2 ton salon would mean the SUV would produce more CO2 then the family saloon over the same distance?
 
Darat said:
Without offering support either for or against Greenpeace's position on the matter surely there is - SUVs mass more so putting the same engine in the 4 ton SUV and the 2 ton salon would mean the SUV would produce more CO2 then the family saloon over the same distance?
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You have 8,000 pound SUVs?
 
Darat said:
Without offering support either for or against Greenpeace's position on the matter surely there is - SUVs mass more so putting the same engine in the 4 ton SUV and the 2 ton salon would mean the SUV would produce more CO2 then the family saloon over the same distance?
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SUV is a very very broad group. For example a Forrester is classed as a SUV but gets better milage than a Outback classed as a station wagon.
 
Darat said:
Ah you are getting into weird USA distinctions!
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Not really, SUV is not a size, but more of a fuction/immage. You can have small SUV's that are no bigger than some cars. Are there cars smaller than any SUV, yes, but that is not a good comparison. The whole line of compact SUV's (the Rav4's the Element and CRV and the forrester are examples of this).
 
The hypocricy is Greenpeace giving big advertisers a hard time for manipulating consumers and then using every slick advertising trick they can get their hands on.
The press release says: ‘Greenpeace took advice from advertising industry insiders before producing the film.’
 
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