GOP plan to subvert the election?

[Ranb]

Something interesting on Imgur.

What Trump means when he says you won't have to worry about it in four years.
https://imgur.com/gallery/uncle-joe-is-gonna-have-to-use-that-immunity-thing-we-are-f-ed-Du0Ccy6

The link;https://hartmannreport.com/p/the-new-over-the-top-secret-plan-518
The New "Over the Top" Secret Plan on How Fascists Could Win in 2024

First, Republicans need to make sure they’re in control of the House of Representatives on January 6th, 2025, when the new president will be certified.

To do that, even though Democrats might have won enough seats to take back the House in the 2024 election, Speaker Johnson will refuse to swear into Congress on January 3rd a handful of those Democrats, claiming there are “irregularities” in their elections that must be first investigated.

I'm going to say unlikely. But it is even possible?

Ranb

 

[The Great Zaganza]

I think it's totally possible.

But there is one snag: the Republican's weird rule about ousting their Speaker: in such a case we would likely see a Republican willing to call for his ousting, and the seated Democrats plus a few sane Republican would be enough to kick him out.

 

[SpitfireIX]

Apart from the fact that Thom Hartmann^WP is a paranoid kook (see the Wiki article for details), he's extremely ignorant about the workings of the US Congress and the Electoral Count Act. The first thing that will happen on January 3 is the election of a Speaker. If there are more Democrat representatives-elect than Republican representatives-elect, then guess what? Mike Johnson won't be the Speaker. Therefore, he won't be able to gain a majority by refusing to swear in some Democrats.

Further, in order for a state's electoral votes to be excluded, the Electoral Count Act requires both houses to sustain an objection, not just one. (source) So for this fantasy scenario of Hartmann's to have even a theoretical possibility of working, Trump would have to lose the election, but the Republicans would have to retain control of the House and gain control of the Senate. This is possible, but it's not overly likely. Note that even if the Republicans do gain control, if Trump loses, their majorities are virtually certain to be quite narrow.

So now that we've isolated the only scenario where this is theoretically possible, let's discuss practicalities. With such narrow majorities, stealing the election would require virtually every Republican in both the House and Senate to go along. It simply won't happen, and no matter how much you (generic "you") might despise Republicans, if you think it will, you're simply not being realistic. Barring death or unexpected retirement, three Republicans who voted to convict Trump will still be in the Senate, others, such as Mitch McConnell, would never go along, no matter how much Trump and his new crop of sycophants might falsely claim the election was stolen from him. This also assumes that the Republicans have even selected a Speaker by January 6.

"But, look how many Republicans voted to object in 2020," I hear some of you say. Many, if not most, of those who objected did so either because they hoped to curry favor with Trump, or because they feared the wrath of his supporters. They knew the objections weren't going to be sustained, so they didn't think it mattered if they humored Trump by going along. That's cowardly and reprehensible, but it doesn't mean they're willing to actually overturn an election when push comes to shove.

Finally, as a side note, about that stupid article from the Daily Kos that Hartmann mindlessly parroted claiming that Johnson refused to swear in Tom Suozzi (who won the special election to replace George Santos) because Johnson didn't want to further erode his majority: The reason Suozzi wasn't sworn in until two weeks after the special election is that Congress wasn't in session during that two weeks. Fail.

 

[SpitfireIX]

I think it's totally possible.

But there is one snag: the Republican's weird rule about ousting their Speaker: in such a case we would likely see a Republican willing to call for his ousting, and the seated Democrats plus a few sane Republican would be enough to kick him out.

As I said, if there are more Democrat Representatives-elect than Republican Representatives-elect, then a Democrat (presumably Jeffries) will be the Speaker.

As for the single-member motion-to-vacate rule, if the Republicans do retain control, there's no reason to assume that they're going to agree to that again. Of course MTG etc. will push for it, but I suspect that most Republicans will refuse to go along this time, even if it results in a lengthy standoff.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

While I do agree that procedures probably ensure that this can't happen, I am pretty sure that Li'l Mickey and the rest of the Trumpistas have seriously considered doing this and the backbone of repug representatives vis a vis brownnosing T****y has been vastly overestimated.

 

[dudalb]

Something interesting on Imgur.

What Trump means when he says you won't have to worry about it in four years.
https://imgur.com/gallery/uncle-joe-is-gonna-have-to-use-that-immunity-thing-we-are-f-ed-Du0Ccy6

The link;https://hartmannreport.com/p/the-new-over-the-top-secret-plan-518
The New "Over the Top" Secret Plan on How Fascists Could Win in 2024



I'm going to say unlikely. But it is even possible?

Ranb

Not the likely.
But if the GOP did, it would trigger such a massive upheavel it would amount to Civil War 2.

 

[thaiboxerken]

I think many of the MAGA, if not the majority of them, would welcome a second civil war. Hell, many of them seem to wish for it.

 

[Donal]

As I said, if there are more Democrat Representatives-elect than Republican Representatives-elect, then a Democrat (presumably Jeffries) will be the Speaker.

And they'll get it done on the first vote.

 

[thaiboxerken]

They plan to steal the election in any way they can. It is something that they are bragging about. When you can't win the election by getting the most votes, make sure you control the vote count and refs.

From this week's Bradblog. https://bradblog.com/

Recently, Kevin Roberts (pictured above), the President of the far-right Heritage Foundation, creators of "Project 2025" --- an extremist 900-page manifesto designed to repeal the 20th century the next time a Republican wins the White House --- told supporters: "We are winning. There are a lot of victories that have been secured. Some of them are partial. Some of them in ways that the other side doesn't yet know, are foundations for what's coming. And that's just the beginning. And we're not gonna tell ya everything that's coming."

 

[Donal]

For as much as they claim to hate the USSR and communism, they do seem to be rather fond of Josef Stalin

 

[JoeMorgue]

I mean they've pretty much straight up told us. It's not so much "subvert" as just ignore it if it doesn't give them the results they want.

 

[Trebuchet]

In addition to what's been mentioned above, if the election is sent to the house then actual control of the house (most members) doesn't matter. It's one vote per state; and the Republicans will certainly control a majority of state delegations. Wyoming, with one representative, will have just as much power as California.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

I have said it before, and I'll say it again:

the Soul of the Republican Ideology is the "Use this weird Trick to make $$$!"
They believe, deep down, that all success is due to someone knowing something you don't - but if you did, you would be just as successful.

That trick could be God, loopholes in the law like Sovereign Citizens or Fake Electors, cryptocurrencies, NTFs, Q, Trump.
The idea that someone just worked hard and has a better understanding as a result is "elitism" and therefore can't be true.

 

[Norman Alexander]

I have said it before, and I'll say it again:

the Soul of the Republican Ideology is the "Use this weird Trick to make $$$!"
They believe, deep down, that all success is due to someone knowing something you don't - but if you did, you would be just as successful.

That trick could be God, loopholes in the law like Sovereign Citizens or Fake Electors, cryptocurrencies, NTFs, Q, Trump.
The idea that someone just worked hard and has a better understanding as a result is "elitism" and therefore can't be true.

It's called being ******* lazy. Which says it all about how they will go about the hard yards of government.