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Good article about atheists

Tiktaalik

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I opened up the Daily Sentinel (Grand Junction, CO) from Sunday, Dec. 2, and in the Local News section, found the headline (2 inches high), "State of Disbelief". It was sub-headed, "Atheists say display shows different concept;library patron upset at having to wait to present rebuttal".

I read through it, waiting for the flak, but there was none. It was a nice, balanced piece about a display at Mesa County Public Library. The stuff about the upset library patron wasn't until the end. Pretty much the whole first page of the article explains why the atheists who made the display believe what they do ("Imagine a world in which there never existed homophobia, Ku Klux Klan cross burnings, Salem witch trials, corrupt televangelists, Catholic church sex scandals or mosque bombings...").

The article was written by Bobby Magill who can be reached at bmagill @ gjds.com. I'm planning on emailing a thank-you. In addition, the Mesa County librarian said, "I don't care what peoples' messages are. It's all about free speech," and stuck to her guns about the library posting policy.

If there were more reasonable, non-biased articles like this one, atheists would have a much better reputation in the U.S. than recent polls show we do.

Too bad real estate in GJ is so expensive right now...I may want to move there!!!
 
Tiktaalik said:
I opened up the Daily Sentinel (Grand Junction, CO) from Sunday, Dec. 2, and in the Local News section, found the headline (2 inches high), "State of Disbelief". It was sub-headed, "Atheists say display shows different concept;library patron upset at having to wait to present rebuttal".

I read through it, waiting for the flak, but there was none. It was a nice, balanced piece about a display at Mesa County Public Library. The stuff about the upset library patron wasn't until the end. Pretty much the whole first page of the article explains why the atheists who made the display believe what they do ("Imagine a world in which there never existed homophobia, Ku Klux Klan cross burnings, Salem witch trials, corrupt televangelists, Catholic church sex scandals or mosque bombings...").

The article was written by Bobby Magill who can be reached at bmagill @ gjds.com. I'm planning on emailing a thank-you. In addition, the Mesa County librarian said, "I don't care what peoples' messages are. It's all about free speech," and stuck to her guns about the library posting policy.

If there were more reasonable, non-biased articles like this one, atheists would have a much better reputation in the U.S. than recent polls show we do.

Too bad real estate in GJ is so expensive right now...I may want to move there!!!
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Is the article online?

Cool avatar name by the way.
 
It appears that the Daily Sentinel is online at www.GJSentinel.com

Not sure if they archive articles; this one was from Sunday Dec. 2 & was in the "Local News" section. I'll try & check on-line but I have an abysmal dial-up connection (no DSL out here in the boonies) so I may not be able to load if it's graphics-heavy...
 
T'ai Chi said:
Believe? We're always told atheists don't have beliefs.
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Is this supposed to be an attempt at humor, or are you really serious? Because if your serious, that is a really inane comment.

As an Atheist, I believe I'll have another beer, it's Friday after all.
 
skeptical said:
Because if your serious, that is a really inane comment.
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More than likely you just don't understand the logic involved.

If you're saying even atheists believe in something, then you're saying belief is the ultimate determiner of your worldview.

If you're saying, well it is belief, but belief in evidence, this is the same as saying that you don't believe (ie. don't have faith).

So either you do, or you don't, have faith.
 
T'ai Chi said:
More than likely you just don't understand the logic involved.

If you're saying even atheists believe in something, then you're saying belief is the ultimate determiner of your worldview

If you're saying, well it is belief, but belief in evidence, this is the same as saying that you don't believe (ie. don't have faith).

So either you do, or you don't, have faith.
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this is just further silliness. It was obvious what you were implying, but it was equally obvious that Tik didn't use the word believe in the same sense you are attributing to him.
Your whole argument is mindless semantics.
 
joobz said:
this is just further silliness. It was obvious what you were implying, but it was equally obvious that Tik didn't use the word believe in the same sense you are attributing to him.
Your whole argument is mindless semantics.
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Or just mindless.
 
tai chi,

Your continued sad attempts at equating a reasonable persons assertion based on previous evidence - in short hand everyday parlance, belief - to the obvious delusions you suffer as belief(s) are really getting pretty boring.

Can you find a new shtick this one is getting old.
 
Interesting article (thinks for the heads up Tiktaalik and the link TG).

The comments however were the usual low brow debate I've come to expect on this issue.
"This is a Christian country"
"Treaty of Tripoly - George Washington"
"Why do you want to force your atheist religion in people's faces"
"You just can't give up your sky daddy.

:sick:
 
Tiktaalik said:
I opened up the Daily Sentinel (Grand Junction, CO) from Sunday, Dec. 2, and in the Local News section, found the headline (2 inches high), "State of Disbelief". It was sub-headed, "Atheists say display shows different concept;library patron upset at having to wait to present rebuttal".

I read through it, waiting for the flak, but there was none. It was a nice, balanced piece about a display at Mesa County Public Library. The stuff about the upset library patron wasn't until the end. Pretty much the whole first page of the article explains why the atheists who made the display believe what they do ("Imagine a world in which there never existed homophobia, Ku Klux Klan cross burnings, Salem witch trials, corrupt televangelists, Catholic church sex scandals or mosque bombings...").

The article was written by Bobby Magill who can be reached at bmagill @ gjds.com. I'm planning on emailing a thank-you. In addition, the Mesa County librarian said, "I don't care what peoples' messages are. It's all about free speech," and stuck to her guns about the library posting policy.

If there were more reasonable, non-biased articles like this one, atheists would have a much better reputation in the U.S. than recent polls show we do.

Too bad real estate in GJ is so expensive right now...I may want to move there!!!
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No. Very bad idea. All housing, including rentals, has gone through the ionosphere, but wages have not kept pace. This is a huge area for min. wage employment but very little industry, unless you work for the oil shale companies. Which is what drove the housing up.

Also...very narrow minded. Do not let one article in the paper fool you. These people have sphincters so tight, farts have to wait for Amnesty International to get them out.

Huge meth problem; drug corridor (I-70); and racist/classist. We definitely have an "other side of the tracks" literally on the other side of the tracks. 8 pages of church listings in the phone book. But only one column on one page of bars....

No. Bad idea. This is not necessarily a nice place to live. I am, in fact, surprised at the article being in the Sentinel, and wouldn't have expected it.

On top of all that, my ex-husband lives here. This place is evil, I'm telling you.
 
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slingblade said:
No. Very bad idea. All housing, including rentals, has gone through the ionosphere, but wages have not kept pace. This is a huge area for min. wage employment but very little industry, unless you work for the oil shale companies. Which is what drove the housing up.

Also...very narrow minded. Do not let one article in the paper fool you. These people have sphincters so tight, farts have to wait for Amnesty International to get them out.

Huge meth problem; drug corridor (I-70); and racist/classist. We definitely have an "other side of the tracks" literally on the other side of the tracks. 8 pages of church listings in the phone book. But only one column on one page of bars....

No. Bad idea. This is not necessarily a nice place to live. I am, in fact, surprised at the article being in the Sentinel, and wouldn't have expected it.

On top of all that, my ex-husband lives here. This place is evil, I'm telling you.
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i guess you don't work for the tourist board there then..........lol
 
Sorry to hear that, Sling. I live about 2 hrs. north of GJ in an area where I'm afraid to tell my neighbors I'm not Mormon, & sometimes I go there to shop. It's the big city for me...

Tai, I have somewhat of an issue myself with the use of the word "belief". However, as others have noted, I used it in the manner in which it was used in the article, to mean "I accept based on evidence which has been presented but which I haven't actually experimentally verified myself" or something similar to that.

I have much more of an issue with the term "faith", which I take to mean "I accept despite no evidence, or actually in the face of evidence to the contrary".

But I do try & avoid the term "belief" in conversation, because I think it indicates accepting something based on emotion or desire. I usually say "I accept that..." instead. But "belief" is such a frequently-used term, and I hear it so frequently, that sometimes it slips into my conversation or writing. When it does, please accept (:)) that I don't imply faith.
 
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