God is my favorite fictional character

c4ts

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Supposing that God were the highest of all possible powers, there is nothing preventing him from being evil and betraying all religions. God can simply redifine the good and the bad depending on what he wants, and make everything good bad, and everything bad turn good. He might even be insane, chosing to baffle his creations with all the wrong advice. If God has to be good because he defines good then there is no good, only stuff he does. And if God happens to torment you and make your existence miserable in every possible way because you preferred yellow over beige, then it is good and just that God decided to torture you, and all human understanding of justice it runs contrary to is false! For if God had to conform to those standards of right and wrong, then that would become a power higher than God. Therefore God has no reason to behave as he does in scripture, nor be subject to any kind of observation. Rationality doesn't apply!

And yet there are fundies who claim God is that much all powerful, yet for some reason, good. Because scripture? Because faith? No. These are not things an omnipotent being is subject to. It is well within the abilities of an omnipotent being such as God to lie to you consistently with scripture and violate your faith, and there would be know way of knowing (unless there's something stopping him that isn't himself, but that would be a kind of power higher than God). What prevents him? The fact that you can imagine worse situations? (Surely that is not the case, since your imagination affects nothing by itself.)
 
The old testament God was a real a**hole at times. He mellowed out a bit in the new testament when he became a father, but he certainly isn't good all the time.
 
God would'nt even have to redefine good and evil "he" could just remake reality to however suites him
 
kedo1981 said:
God would'nt even have to redefine good and evil "he" could just remake reality to however suites him
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Would there be any noticable difference of such a shift in reality? If the rewards and punishments change and nobody is told, would human beings continue to behave the same way? (For if the rules depended upon the structure of reality, then they could be discovered through the study of the natural world, and therefore you could be moral without God. Yet the claim is that you cannot.)
 
KelvinG said:
The old testament God was a real a**hole at times. He mellowed out a bit in the new testament when he became a father, but he certainly isn't good all the time.
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"Old Testament" Hell == the grave.

No mention of Hell fire torment before Jesus, the Bible's first Hell-prophet.

Sweetie-pie Jesus was invented by some nice old ladies in the 19th century.
 
kedo1981 said:
God would'nt even have to redefine good and evil "he" could just remake reality to however suites him
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Standard Christian Responses:

"God gave us free will, and that would violate free will."
"We humans are incapable of understanding God's plan."
"I'll pray for you."
 
There's always the possibility that he created us on a whim, regarded us as something novel like sea monkeys, got bored and just stopped paying attention or caring. That would be one explanation for his apparent complacency.
 
c4ts said:
Would there be any noticable difference of such a shift in reality? If the rewards and punishments change and nobody is told, would human beings continue to behave the same way? (For if the rules depended upon the structure of reality, then they could be discovered through the study of the natural world, and therefore you could be moral without God. Yet the claim is that you cannot.)
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Even the most moral person is still a sinner, this is the reality. The only perfect person that was ever born and didn't sin was Jesus. That's why He did what He did, to reconcile us to God the Father.

God is Holy and he made us to be Holy. When sin entered this world it damaged our relationship with God. Everything inside of us screams for new life, can't you feel that?

The reality is that you are in denial if you let yourself believe God does not exsist! I don't know everything, but I do know this forsure.
 
kurious_kathy said:
Even the most moral person is still a sinner, this is the reality. The only perfect person that was ever born and didn't sin was Jesus. That's why He did what He did, to reconcile us to God the Father.

God is Holy and he made us to be Holy. When sin entered this world it damaged our relationship with God. Everything inside of us screams for new life, can't you feel that?

The reality is that you are in denial if you let yourself believe God does not exsist! I don't know everything, but I do know this forsure.
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You reality is a reality based on denial about the non-existance of a ficticous god and it's about damn time you grew up and accepted it!
 
Pauliesonne said:
You reality is a reality based on denial about the non-existance of a ficticous god and it's about damn time you grew up and accepted it!
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I am quite grown up now with 4 children of my own. And our God is very much alive, maybe you are the one that needs to accept it!
 
kurious_kathy said:
I am quite grown up now <snip>
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You certainly haven't acted it on here.

Since you think we should accept your god, are you here to preach to us more?

I don't suppose you would accept how egocentric and arrogant it is of you to think *we* need to accept *your* religion and morals?
 
Pauliesonne said:
...but not unconditionally. "
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Oh no, he loves you unconditionally he just won't forgive you unconditionally. He'll weep as he casts you into hellfire for not believing in a bizarre theology that asks you to believe faith can move mountains...literally.
 
RandFan said:
Oh no, he loves you unconditionally he just won't forgive you unconditionally. He'll weep as he casts you into hellfire for not believing in a bizarre theology that asks you to believe faith can move mountains...literally.
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He does forgive us unconditionally if we ask for forgiveness of our sins. And as far as moving those mountains, He can do whatever He wants he's God. If we ask for something that is not His will we just can't expect it. We all have challenges in this life RF.
 
kurious_kathy said:
He does forgive us unconditionally if we ask for forgiveness of our sins.
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I think you found the flaw. The word "if" is a conditional. You might want to rethink that.

And as far as moving those mountains, He can do whatever He wants he's God.
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Oh you bet. Happens all of the time. Ever notice that miracles like bringing people back from the dead, walking on water and turning water into wine happened in the past?
 
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