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God, Big Bang or Both?

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No matter what you believe, your belief system requires a belief in something that has no beginning and was always there. If not God than the raw materials for the Big Bang.

I've always been curious as to why some think it is more logical to believe in raw materials that independently developed into the universe compared to a God that created the universe and perhaps left it to run on automatic --- and why others think it is more logical to believe the other way around.

Either belief is outside the scope of what we can investigate using empirical methods.

Thoughts, comments?
 
We have detecable evidence that fits into a hypothesis for a rapid expansion of the known universe that happened a really long time ago. (which of course makes it a theory)

We have no evidence for god. (which gives us bupkiss)

Of course we don't yet know what was the cause (if there was a cause as we understand the meaning of "cause")
because our understanding of the universe breaks down at that level. But don't you think that it is a little hasty to assign god as the cause simply because we don't know yet?
 
The thing that always blew my mind is if the universe is expanding, what is it expanding into? Doesnt space have to exist for something to expand?



(it's like trying to think of "nothing".)
 
Synapse Fire said:
The thing that always blew my mind is if the universe is expanding, what is it expanding into? Doesnt space have to exist for something to expand?



(it's like trying to think of "nothing".)
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I believe the space is created as the need arises. i.e. Space exists by virtue of the matter in the immediate area.
 
Shera said:
No matter what you believe, your belief system requires a belief in something that has no beginning and was always there. If not God than the raw materials for the Big Bang.

I've always been curious as to why some think it is more logical to believe in raw materials that independently developed into the universe compared to a God that created the universe and perhaps left it to run on automatic --- and why others think it is more logical to believe the other way around.

Either belief is outside the scope of what we can investigate using empirical methods.

Thoughts, comments?
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The ' Goddidit ' answer, creates the problem of ' where did God come from? ' .

Keep it simple.
 
It's expanding into where it was not before.

like a philosophical argument, it kind of builds upon itself, defining itself just by being. Nothing is nothing until something comes along, and then it becomes what that something is. Get it? Cause if you do, can you expalin it to me?:p
 
Shera said:
No matter what you believe, your belief system requires a belief in something that has no beginning and was always there. If not God than the raw materials for the Big Bang.

I've always been curious as to why some think it is more logical to believe in raw materials that independently developed into the universe compared to a God that created the universe and perhaps left it to run on automatic --- and why others think it is more logical to believe the other way around.

Either belief is outside the scope of what we can investigate using empirical methods.

Thoughts, comments?
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The finite is merely a subset of the in-finite. While time is merely a subset of The Eternal.
 
Shera said:
No matter what you believe, your belief system requires a belief in something that has no beginning and was always there. If not God than the raw materials for the Big Bang.
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Why must one have a belief in one or the other? What is wrong with an honest "I don't know"?
 
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The finite is merely a subset of the in-finite. While time is merely a subset of The Eternal.
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Yes but without a fool Mr. T cannot have pity. So I pity the fool who does not let Mr. T pity a fool!
 
Re: Re: God, Big Bang or Both?

Mercutio said:
Why must one have a belief in one or the other? What is wrong with an honest "I don't know"?
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Becuase then you'll be thrown into the chasm by the bridgekeeper and never get the holy grail.
 
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Iacchus said:
The finite is merely a subset of the in-finite. While time is merely a subset of The Eternal.
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You sound like a perfume commercial.
 
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Synapse Fire said:
Becuase then you'll be thrown into the chasm by the bridgekeeper and never get the holy grail.
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I should have known there would be a catch.
 
Diogenes said:
The ' Goddidit ' answer, creates the problem of ' where did God come from? ' .

Keep it simple.
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Yes, sort of like where did that something which always existed -- i.e., the raw materials that created the Universe -- not! -- come from? Better off describing that something as highly intelligent, rather than trying to figure out how everything mysteriously came into order by itself.
 
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Iacchus said:
Yes, sort of like where did that something which always existed -- i.e., the raw materials that created the Universe -- not! -- come from? Better off ascribing that something to which is highly intelligent, rather than trying to figure out how everything mysteriously came into order by itself.
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LOL...yes, because it is a much simpler thing to explain how a highly intelligent thing came from nothing than to explain how raw materials did. Dr. A. has a razor for you, Iacchus.
 
If in this universe matter or energy cannot created (or destroyed) how did it get created?


My brain hurts.
 
Yes, sort of like where did that something which always existed -- i.e., the raw materials that created the Universe -- not! -- come from? Better off describing that something as highly intelligent, rather than trying to figure out how everything mysteriously came into order all by itself.
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Well, at least we can detect and experiance raw materials.
 
Mercutio said:
LOL...yes, because it is a much simpler thing to explain how a highly intelligent thing came from nothing than to explain how raw materials did. Dr. A. has a razor for you, Iacchus.
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If you're referring to myself you're highly mistaken ... about coming from nothing that is. And I have a birth certifcate to prove it! ;) Of course I will admit that the sperm and egg cells were infinitesimally small (not nothing though) compared to what we have before us today.
 
Iacchus said:
If you're referring to myself you're highly mistaken ... about coming from nothing that is. And I have a birth certifcate to prove it! ;) Of course I will admit that the sperm and egg cells were infinitesimally small (not nothing though) compared to what we have before us today.
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My choice of words makes it quite clear I was not talking about you.
 
If in this universe matter or energy cannot created (or destroyed) how did it get created?
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Google virtual particle pair production
 
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