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Go back to majority rule?: Forget ACLU?

Iamme

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I was listening to Mike Gallagher this morning..even though he so often gets under my skin. Today's topic is the ACLU and Christmas.

He says now, not only does the ACLU want to get rid of nativity scenes, but (get ready)...even what SECULAR Christmas has as it's symbol; Santa Claus!

It maybe sounds kind of nutty...like the ACLU can't make up it's mind WHAT it really wants. But Mike said the reason is...that they want to do away with ANYTHING that has to do with Christmas. That they would just as soon do away with Christmas.

He said that it would not be a stretch, if somewhere down the line, the ACLU will try to sue the government for having Christmas as a holiday. (Government workers off with pay, and all that).

All this got me thinking. *I* am not exactly a born again Christian, even though with my Gerrman/Scandanavian heritage I was a confirmed Lutheran. Today, I can't stand it when they pipe Chritmas carols through the speakers downtown. I can't stand it when songs (ANY religious song) is piped through the church belfries in my town, for me to hear. I am always mumbling to myself: "Where is the ACLU when you need them?!":con2:

But upon further reflection this morning, I got thinking...IS this really what I want. Would I like to see the ACLU win out and deprive the masses of what they want, because some in the minority are offended? Do I want Christmas to be taken away from my God-fearing mother, who so much enjoys this season? A guilt trip came over me, and I realized that perhaps it really IS best, to let the majority have their way.

If the majority does not have THEIR way...then this must mean that you are letting the minority have THEIR way. And THAT is sort of goofy, now isn't it?

Think about this carefully before you respond. Ask yourself like I did: "Am I being selfish?" Then consider all the ramifications.
 
The only one I can see is this article on the removing of Christian religious imagery from a federal post office.

Not really the same as wanting to get rid of Santa Claus.

Maybe Gallagher was referring to something else- this is simply all I could find at a glance.
 
The purpose of the Bill of Rights is to defend the minority from the majority. State-promoted religion is case in point.

The ACLU isn't trying to "Get rid of Christmas." They're trying to get rid of state-sponsored Christmas, which is entirely correct IMO. (And "Santa Claus" is hardly secular--"heavily commercialized" is not synonymous with "secular.")
 
Iamme said:
Today, I can't stand it when they pipe Chritmas carols through the speakers downtown. I can't stand it when songs (ANY religious song) is piped through the church belfries in my town, for me to hear. I am always mumbling to myself: "Where is the ACLU when you need them?!":con2:
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Holy Humbug, Batman!!!

I think the ACLU's attempt to get rid of the Christ figure in CHRISTmas scenes is patently ridiculous. Maybe they will try to ban the word CHRISTmas from being allowed to be used in a sentence by an elected official next...
 
I wouldn’t put it past them, the ACLU isn’t interested in the bill of rights, it is interested in pushing an extreme leftist agenda under the guise of civil and constitutional rights.

I am completely against the majority oppressing the minority and vice-versa. Hence my positions on drug laws, gun laws, smoking laws, gay marriage, abortion ect... But being offended by the majority of people celebrated Christmas doesn’t constitute oppression.
 
Tony said:
I wouldn’t put it past them, the ACLU isn’t interested in the bill of rights, it is interested in pushing an extreme leftist agenda under the guise of civil and constitutional rights.
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Man, what on earth do you smoke in the morning?

The ACLU isn't pushing anything beyond trying to get religion out of government. That's not an "extreme leftist agenda."

If they were waving rifles and wearing bandanas while shouting "ALL POWER TO THE PROLETARIAT! MAO MORE THAN EVER!" then that would be an "extreme leftist agenda."
 
I can't help any of you any more than what I have stated. I believe he said that this Santa Claus issue was an actual case somewhere. I'll bet you could go to www.Mike.com.

I believe, from my memory, that that is his website. If not, just ask Google, Yahoo, ?..."Mike Gallagher" and you will get to his site, and topic(s) of the day, I'm sure.

As much as that guy bugs me...I still like listening to him. Of all the talkshow hosts I have heard, his voice, inflections...how his conversation flows...I find the most palatable. He is supposed to be the 6th most listened to talkshow host in America and is now featured on Fox, and I'm sure his popularity will build further.
 
Bill Orielly was moaning about the same Xmas crap this morning.

he was saying that since its a federal holiday honoring christ, then we shoudl be able to have all these nativity scenes and so on.

Isnt the whole xmas federal holiday really just a practicle move. Even if they got rid of the day, who woudl show up for work???

In Boston St. Pattys day is a city holiday. WHy? cause of all the Irishman thats why.

I really dont care about nativity scenes, My worry would be the endless parade of kooks who would want THEIR symbols included. People already bitch n moan about Kwanzaa. Imagine the Satanist display in fron of City hall come Holloween. Who would be the fiorst to freak..........the Jesus people.

The citys are in a damn of you do/dont situation.
 
^Not really. It's because of Evacuation day, which is a perfectly legitimate holiday; we have similar holidays on April 19 and June 17. (Patriots Day and Bunker Hill Day respectively.)

And since only City and State workers get the day off in Boston, it's barely worth mentioning.
 
Cleon said:


Man, what on earth do you smoke in the morning?

The ACLU isn't pushing anything beyond trying to get religion out of government. That's not an "extreme leftist agenda."

If they were waving rifles and wearing bandanas while shouting "ALL POWER TO THE PROLETARIAT! MAO MORE THAN EVER!" then that would be an "extreme leftist agenda."
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LOL Cleon...that made me laugh!!
 
Thank you specious_reasons for the correct site you listed in your post above. If any of you are bored; go there! Click into his site by putting your mouse pointer (hand) over his face and click into his website. Then click on: "topics/events" in the left hand column. Aw...MAN! Jack pot! Every topic discussed today that you can imagine. But I can't find the Santa issue. Maybe it will crop up on his site in a day or two.
 
Iamme said:
Thank you specious_reasons for the correct site you listed in your post above. If any of you are bored; go there! Click into his site by putting your mouse pointer (hand) over his face and click into his website. Then click on: "topics/events" in the left hand column. Aw...MAN! Jack pot! Every topic discussed today that you can imagine. But I can't find the Santa issue. Maybe it will crop up on his site in a day or two.
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If you're presenting the argument, it's you who has to present the evidence, not anyone else. Otherwise, I could waste everyone's time in the forum all day by things like, "the government invented AIDS," "big business make huge profits out of child prostitution," "Dan Rather is leader of a Satanic cult," or whatever.

First you said you heard MG say something. Fair enough. It's difficult to prove what you heard on a radio show, and it would stall debate in this case to be nit-picky and insist on further evidence on this stage. Then it was suggested that the ACLU didn't say any such thing at all.

And now you want us to go to MG's crappy site to look for the evidence? Nope. You can do that. Post a link here when you find it.
 
Contrary to popular belief, the ACLU doesn't initiate lawsuits. They take the cases of average cititzens. If there's any agenda, it's on the part of the citizen.

Don't use Talk Radio as your basis for reality Tony.
 
Iamme said:
I was listening to Mike Gallagher this morning..even though he so often gets under my skin. Today's topic is the ACLU and Christmas.

He says now, not only does the ACLU want to get rid of nativity scenes, but (get ready)...even what SECULAR Christmas has as it's symbol; Santa Claus!

It maybe sounds kind of nutty...like the ACLU can't make up it's mind WHAT it really wants. But Mike said the reason is...that they want to do away with ANYTHING that has to do with Christmas. That they would just as soon do away with Christmas.

He said that it would not be a stretch, if somewhere down the line, the ACLU will try to sue the government for having Christmas as a holiday. (Government workers off with pay, and all that).

All this got me thinking. *I* am not exactly a born again Christian, even though with my Gerrman/Scandanavian heritage I was a confirmed Lutheran. Today, I can't stand it when they pipe Chritmas carols through the speakers downtown. I can't stand it when songs (ANY religious song) is piped through the church belfries in my town, for me to hear. I am always mumbling to myself: "Where is the ACLU when you need them?!":con2:

But upon further reflection this morning, I got thinking...IS this really what I want. Would I like to see the ACLU win out and deprive the masses of what they want, because some in the minority are offended? Do I want Christmas to be taken away from my God-fearing mother, who so much enjoys this season? A guilt trip came over me, and I realized that perhaps it really IS best, to let the majority have their way.

If the majority does not have THEIR way...then this must mean that you are letting the minority have THEIR way. And THAT is sort of goofy, now isn't it?

Think about this carefully before you respond. Ask yourself like I did: "Am I being selfish?" Then consider all the ramifications.
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A couple things to keep in mind in order to better understand this issue:

1) Mike Gallagher is an idiot
2) See rule #1
 
Tony said:
I wouldn’t put it past them, the ACLU isn’t interested in the bill of rights,
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False. The ACLU does nothing but defend the Bill Of Rights. So I'm guessing you are actually opposed to these rights.
 
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