Global warming "truthers" would self-ignite; Permafrost Results

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From; http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080610112628.htm

ScienceDaily (June 11, 2008) — The rate of climate warming over northern Alaska, Canada, and Russia could more than triple during periods of rapid sea ice loss, according to a new study led by the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR). The findings raise concerns about the thawing of permafrost, or permanently frozen soil, and the potential consequences for sensitive ecosystems, human infrastructure, and the release of additional greenhouse gases.
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Oh Ben , you know they will just use cherry picked irrelevant fact attrition to debate you. They can't even get a decent and cogent discussion going. they resort to the same tactics of creationists, plasma cosmologists and the vaccine/autism crowd.

What i find most disturbing is that global temperatures are rising, but they can't even see that the 'non-alarmist' curve shows that the temps have been rising.

There is a strong correlation is paleo temperatures and CO2 temps which they seem to ignore.

Now the melting of caps and all this has happened before but I personaly do not look forward to the high temps and lack of rain which is the potential in the midwest.

So even though we can post lots of stuff, they will stick to three phrases in one text book and thier self referential material

lecture on artic ice:
http://www.asp.ucar.edu/colloquium/2000/Lectures/holland.html

Discussion of models:
http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/asr/asr97/ccrpaleo.html

Possible imapcts to consider:
http://www.ucar.edu/news/features/climatechange/ecosystems.jsp

But then these people must have an agenda in pseudo science and denying the truth that the many vocal doubters are payed to present by the oil companies:
http://www.ncar.ucar.edu/
 
What's that crap? They even didn't looked at the actual temperature.....look what they did:

To investigate this question, Lawrence and his colleagues analyzed climate change simulations generated by the NCAR-based Community Climate System Model. Previous analysis of these simulations suggested that a sustained period of rapid ice loss lasting roughly 5 to 10 years can occur when the ice thins enough. During such an event, the model revealed, the minimum sea-ice extent can drop by an area greater than the size of Alaska and Colorado combined.
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Who are the thruters?
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And the
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claims in the thread title "Permafrost RESULTS"
What a ......
 
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Thawing permafrost is just another one of the giant stack of evidence for global warming, that the worldwide evil communist liberal hippie conspiracy. That's why all those scientists and governments and George W. Bush all talk about it as though it were really happening... they're all in on it!!
 
Lucifuge Rofocale said:
:dl: "evidence"

What a misuse for this beautiful word.
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One thing is damned sure, that there are serious differences in ways of thinking between these proud Warmers and these Skeptics. Now, this has been noted many times, of course, often with attempts to smear groups somehow.

Oh, wait, Dancing David had an explanation:

these people must have an agenda in pseudo science and denying the truth that the many vocal doubters are payed to present by the oil companies:

Yes, indeed, that explains it all. Now David, why don't you tell us a bit more about that? Hint: (You don't really want to do that, it's a trap.:clap:)
 
BenBurch said:
Oh, I forgot; You think science has no predictive power, and history has no accuracy.
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No, not quite... any month that is colder than the same month the previous year is automatically predictive of a radical cooling trend that could lead to a new ice age, remember?
 
The arctic melt which is not happening is happening because of natural cycles but isn't happening right now because global warming has stopped except for the current melting which is due to undersea volcanoes and the wind changing direction, but it doesn't matter because it snowed lots in the States this last winter and Antarctica is still cold.

And Al Gore is fat.
 
BenBurch said:
Oh, I forgot; You think science has no predictive power, and history has no accuracy.
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I would find such beliefs seriously disconcerting, but there are those who seem to find comfort in them. All part of the rich tapestry of life, I guess.

To my mind, both science and history are ways of getting to know and understand the landscape we spend out brief lives in. Such understanding is interesting in itself, but it's of great practical value as well, especially when the proverbial is heading for the air-conditioning. Ducking into cover is a better response than waiting to see what happens because, hey, it's not predictable. This time we might all come up smelling of roses, who can say?

mhaze does believe in the predictive powers of a 60-80 year cycle which is going to save us in the next two-to-seven years.
 
Pipirr said:
The arctic melt which is not happening is happening because of natural cycles but isn't happening right now because global warming has stopped except for the current melting which is due to undersea volcanoes and the wind changing direction, but it doesn't matter because it snowed lots in the States this last winter and Antarctica is still cold.

And Al Gore is fat.
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Lets not forget the snow in China on the worst weekend in the year for it. And the Chinese are putting out more CO2 than anybody else these days :rolleyes:. Global warming my arse.

Unusual warmth in Pakistan and Siberia, meh, lets forget those. Why complicate the issue? Warmologists are simple-minded folk, easily confused.
 
"This situation, when summer thaw extends more deeply than the next winter’s freeze, can lead to a talik, which is a layer of permanently unfrozen soil sandwiched between the seasonally frozen layer above and the perennially frozen layer below. A talik allows heat to build more quickly in the soil, hastening the long-term thaw of permafrost."
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(My emphasis)

I don't find that intuitive. I don't doubt it, of course, but could somebody fill in a bit? Does the ice above the talik insulate it in some way?
 
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