Gitmo: more whiny BS about "torture" - get real

[bigred]

ENOUGH already. I'm not advocating the things mentioned, but I'm sick to DEATH of the media and similar whiny boneheads talking about prisoners being forced to stand for 30 minutes or pee their pants (etc) as "torture." aw. I guess we shoulda used "time outs."

Talk to a WW II Japanese POW or a Vietnam vet POW, you brain-dead IDIOTS. They will explain in great detail what REAL torture is. Our enemies must see these headlines and laugh their butts off.

I think I'll go flush a copy of the Koran down the toilet. Boo hoo mommy, more torture!!


http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/13/gitmo.time/index.html

(PS: I will however admit that waking them up with Christina Aguilera is pushing it)

 

[Bjorn]

ENOUGH already. I'm not advocating the things mentioned, but I'm sick to DEATH of the media and similar whiny boneheads talking about prisoners being forced to stand for 30 minutes or pee their pants (etc) as "torture." aw.

I must have missed those comments. Could you direct me to a link to the whiny boneheads?

 

[Ladewig]

ENOUGH already. I'm not advocating the things mentioned, but I'm sick to DEATH of the media and similar whiny boneheads talking about prisoners being forced to stand for 30 minutes or pee their pants (etc) as "torture." aw. I guess we shoulda used "time outs."

Talk to a WW II Japanese POW or a Vietnam vet POW, you brain-dead IDIOTS. They will explain in great detail what REAL torture is. Our enemies must see these headlines and laugh their butts off.

I think I'll go flush a copy of the Koran down the toilet. Boo hoo mommy, more torture!!


http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/13/gitmo.time/index.html

(PS: I will however admit that waking them up with Christina Aguilera is pushing it)

Forcing to stand for 30 minutes is not torture. However, beating someone to death is torture. Given that the U.S. military admits that prisoners at Abu Grahib died after receiving beatings, I must admit that I have no ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ idea what the point of your post is. Would you clarify?

 

[Marquis de Carabas]

Re: Re: Gitmo: more whiny BS about "torture" - get real

Given that the U.S. military admits that prisoners at Abu Grahib died after receiving beatings...

Correlation isn't causation, remember. I bet all those beaten prisoners had ebola, and that's what killed them. The beatings are purely coincidental.

 

[varwoche]

Besides that prisoner abuse goes against what (I thought) the US stands for, I can't get over the sheer counter-productive stupidity. From the cnn article:

"If in fact we are treating prisoners this way, it's not only wrong, it's dangerous and very dumb and very shortsighted," Hagel said.

 

[Ladewig]

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Correlation isn't causation, remember. I bet all those beaten prisoners had ebola, and that's what killed them. The beatings are purely coincidental.

To be fair, some of the prisoners that died had injuries before they arrived at the prison. The beatings may not have been the primary cause of death. Still, beating an injured prisoner fits my definition of torture.

 

[Charlie Monoxide]

Besides that prisoner abuse goes against what (I thought) the US stands for, I can't get over the sheer counter-productive stupidity. From the cnn article:

Amen brother. It doesn't matter what the terrorists or other foriegn countries do, we have to ensure we are above all that and at minimum respect basic human rights.

Charlie (unless we use old testament logic) Monoxide

 

[Grammatron]

Besides that prisoner abuse goes against what (I thought) the US stands for, I can't get over the sheer counter-productive stupidity. From the cnn article:

"If in fact we are treating prisoners this way, it's not only wrong, it's dangerous and very dumb and very shortsighted," Hagel said.

Well yeah, if.

 

[bigred]

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To be fair, some of the prisoners that died had injuries before they arrived at the prison. The beatings may not have been the primary cause of death. Still, beating an injured prisoner fits my definition of torture.

It can, certainly. Depends on the specifics. Certainly that is a whole 'nother ball game.

But being forced to stand for 30 minutes and all this pouting about the Koran being "abused" is enough to make me puke.

 

[Bjorn]

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But being forced to stand for 30 minutes ........ is enough to make me puke.

I didn't see that. Do you have a link to the stupid place where someone said so?

 

[fishbob]

ENOUGH already. I'm not advocating the things mentioned, but I'm sick to DEATH of the media and similar whiny boneheads talking about prisoners being forced to stand for 30 minutes or pee their pants (etc) as "torture." aw. I guess we shoulda used "time outs."

Talk to a WW II Japanese POW or a Vietnam vet POW, you brain-dead IDIOTS. They will explain in great detail what REAL torture is. Our enemies must see these headlines and laugh their butts off.

I think I'll go flush a copy of the Koran down the toilet. Boo hoo mommy, more torture!!. . .

Enough already. I'm sick to death of whiney boneheads making excuses for bad US treatment of prisoners.

 

[Ladewig]

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all this pouting about the Koran being "abused" is enough to make me puke.

O.K. here's another way to look at it. The Koran should not be abused by military personnel because there is a standing order to not abuse the Koran. If a marine cannot follow an order as simple and clear as that, then should he be given as important a task as guarding some of the most dangerous men on the planet? I say, no. Only the most disciplined and professional military personnel should be give that job.

 

[Bjorn]

I'm sick to DEATH of the media and similar whiny boneheads talking about prisoners being forced to stand for 30 minutes or pee their pants (etc) as "torture."

Did you make that one up?

 

[bigred]

lol. Gotta respect the persistance.

The standing part I did mis-quote, pardon. Here's the quote: "standing for prolonged periods, isolation for as long as 30 days, removal of clothing, forced shaving of facial hair..." I have heard 30 min's (or more) on the standing part, but wasn't specified in the CNN article. The point remains, however.

Second part quoted FYI: "...the interrogation techniques included refusing al-Qahtani a bathroom break and forcing him to urinate in his pants."

The torture reference wasn't aimed at the article per se, but a general impression that started after the Abu Ghraib stuff.

 

[Bjorn]

The torture reference wasn't aimed at the article per se, but a general impression that started after the Abu Ghraib stuff.

The Abu Ghraib stuff? Do you mean the stuff of which Taguba said "between October and December 2003, at the Abu Ghraib Confinement Facility (BCCF), numerous incidents of sadistic, blatant, and wanton criminal abuses were inflicted on several detainees"?

Do you really think he was describing people forced to stand for 30 minutes?

 

[Crossbow]

lol. Gotta respect the persistance.

The standing part I did mis-quote, pardon. Here's the quote: "standing for prolonged periods, isolation for as long as 30 days, removal of clothing, forced shaving of facial hair..." I have heard 30 min's (or more) on the standing part, but wasn't specified in the CNN article. The point remains, however.

Second part quoted FYI: "...the interrogation techniques included refusing al-Qahtani a bathroom break and forcing him to urinate in his pants."

The torture reference wasn't aimed at the article per se, but a general impression that started after the Abu Ghraib stuff.

Well, it is nice to see that you did finally get around to actually reading the article that so incensed you because I was about to point out the same thing.

Perhaps the next time that the USA is accused of committing torture then you may heed it a bit better.

 

[AWPrime]

Soldiers need entertainment.

 

[Ralph]

I heard that Mr. Mugabwe recently bulldozed a mosque into the ground.

I haven't heard a single voice of "outrage" over this from any of the usual "offendees".

Is Allah only offended when the US "desecrates" something.......or is this just part of Mugabwe's urban renewal program?

 

[bigred]

The Abu Ghraib stuff? Do you mean the stuff of which Taguba said "between October and December 2003, at the Abu Ghraib Confinement Facility (BCCF), numerous incidents of sadistic, blatant, and wanton criminal abuses were inflicted on several detainees"?

That's the one.

Did you read the report? I saw 1 or 2 things mentioned (out of 13 total) which MIGHT have been torture, although "abusive" is probably a lot more accurate (if that). Just because a General uses certain adjectives to describe what happened doesn't make it torture.

Also note he says "included the following acts" - so there may have been (and I think were) other, lesser things that happened, eg the forcing them to stand part, although I don't have a link offhand.

Regardless.....do I think they went too far, and in some cases were or may have even been abusive? Sure. Was most if not all of it torture? Please.

 

[bigred]

Well, it is nice to see that you did finally get around to actually reading the article that so incensed you because I was about to point out the same thing.

Perhaps the next time that the USA is accused of committing torture then you may heed it a bit better.

I read it before posting, just mis-quoted, as I've already explained.

And the next time the USA is accused of committing "torture," I'll in fact be LESS likely to believe it, given the apparent definition of the word.