Gingrich win good for Dems (Romney comes out swinging)

RandFan said:
The infighting does a lot of the heavy lifting for Obama.

Romney: Gingrich must return Freddie pay (and release ALL of the documents from the investigation)

Give 'em hell Mitt!

Hey Newt, you gonna take that?
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I have been thinking along these lines as well ...

For example, during the 2008 campaign, the Democrats had a generous choice of Obama or Clinton for getting the nomination, and after Obama won the day, then just about all of the Democrats fell in behind him.

But if you look at the Republicans now, they are so terribly polarized that I think that no matter no matter just who eventually gets the Republican nomination (Romeny, Gingrich, Paul, et al), then one will see quite a few Republicans that will refuse to support their nominee, and therefore the Republicans will loose the 2012 presidential election and wind up loosing a good bit in the House and Senate as well.

Furthermore, the Republicans do not have any fear issue (like gay marriage) to unify them and thus even more will vote their mind by staying home on election day.
 
Crossbow said:
Furthermore, the Republicans do not have any fear issue (like gay marriage) to unify them...
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I don't know... I think Obama might be their fear issue.

Watch Newt's victory speech in South Carolina. Listen to the crowd. Those were some seriously terrified white people.
 
RandFan said:
The infighting does a lot of the heavy lifting for Obama.
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Yeah. That's often an advantage of being the incumbent, but it's especially good this time around. Whoever gets the nomination (Romney) will be damaged goods by the general election.

Romney: Gingrich must return Freddie pay (and release ALL of the documents from the investigation)

Give 'em hell Mitt!

Hey Newt, you gonna take that?
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I expect he'll have more fodder come tomorrow when Mitt releases his most recent 2 tax returns.
 
David Frum (assistant to President George W. Bush)

Why GOP leaders don't trust Gingrich

In his pursuit of a governing majority, Gingrich has chased phantoms: In that 1983 speech about liberals and space, for example, Gingrich actually cited the popularity of the "Star Wars" movies as evidence that space exploration could be a winning issue for Republicans. The person most deluded by Gingrich's politics of cultural division has always been Gingrich himself.

Which is how this politician, so brilliantly adept at manipulating the internal politics of the Republican Party, has fared so badly whenever he steps onto the national stage. For all the momentum supposedly unleashed by his win in the Republican South Carolina primary, Gingrich remains one of the very most disliked figures in national politics, as Josh Marshall reminds readers in this remarkable chart (below).
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Newt Gingrich is an unelectable idiot. Hopefully he wins the nomination. Not that it would matter a lick. The whole Republitard crowd is unelectable.
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
Yeah. That's often an advantage of being the incumbent, but it's especially good this time around. Whoever gets the nomination (Romney) will be damaged goods by the general election.

I expect he'll have more fodder come tomorrow when Mitt releases his most recent 2 tax returns.
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Why just the last two?

Didn't Mitt's father release 12 years' worth of tax returns for all of the years leading up to when he ran for president?

Seeing as how there are some questions swirling around about Romney's involvement in Bain Capitol which go back more than two years, and that his father went way above and beyond that, I don't see this issue as being put to rest by any stretch of the imagination.

This issue is a Pandora's Box for Romney, and thanks to Gingrich it won't be shut before November.
 
MattusMaximus said:
Why just the last two?

Didn't Mitt's father release 12 years' worth of tax returns for all of the years leading up to when he ran for president?

Seeing as how there are some questions swirling around about Romney's involvement in Bain Capitol which go back more than two years, and that his father went way above and beyond that, I don't see this issue as being put to rest by any stretch of the imagination.

This issue is a Pandora's Box for Romney, and thanks to Gingrich it won't be shut before November.
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In George's years, it might not have been such a big issue, but the income gap between rich and poor has ballooned in the years since George ran. Now Mitt's miniscule tax is going to be used as further evidence that he is unconcerned with the poor and middle class, as well it should be.

And while Gingrich has a much higher rate, he's not getting off scott free either with his big income from his lobbying historian service to the big banks. Obama's not spotless either, but compared to the front-running Repubs, he looks like an Eagle Scout.
 
Tricky said:
In George's years, it might not have been such a big issue, but the income gap between rich and poor has ballooned in the years since George ran. Now Mitt's miniscule tax is going to be used as further evidence that he is unconcerned with the poor and middle class, as well it should be.

And while Gingrich has a much higher rate, he's not getting off scott free either with his big income from his lobbying historian service to the big banks. Obama's not spotless either, but compared to the front-running Repubs, he looks like an Eagle Scout.
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Gerald Ford was the first and so far only actual Eagle Scout to become President.

ETA: Just for trivia's sake.. Not making a point.
 
MattusMaximus said:
Why just the last two?

Didn't Mitt's father release 12 years' worth of tax returns for all of the years leading up to when he ran for president?
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Yep. It's entirely reasonable, I think, that we assume these two years (where he paid a little less than 14% on some $42.7 million income) is the most flattering information he can provide.

That is, it's fair to assume he has something worse to hide.
 
Tricky said:
Obama's not spotless either, but compared to the front-running Repubs, he looks like an Eagle Scout.
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And of course both Gingrich and Romney are proposing tax plans that would further shift the tax burden away from high income people like themselves while Obama is proposing that anyone making over million dollars pays at least 30%.

I think it's not just a matter of looking at whether they're each paying their fair share compared to the rest of us, but whether they think the current system is right, and in which direction it should be changed.

ETA: And to this last point, FWIW, Romney comes off as less undesirable than Gingrich, since Romney's tax proposals are relatively modest. Still, neither of them are even going in the right direction, IMO.
 
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I checked out a site I've been going to for the last few months to check on the latest Republican polls. What they now show is:

Gingrich 29.0%
Romney 28.0
Santorum 14.7
Paul 12.3
undecided (by implication) 16.0

It seems likely that Gingrich will continue to gain in the south, that Romney will regain some momentum in places like California, and that delegates pledged to Santorum and Paul will eventually support Gingrich. All of this adds up - I hope - to the Republican Party ripping itself apart at its convention.
 
Yet another post fantasizing that the Republicans will defeat themselves. It's pretty obvious why we get so many of these threads; because nobody is very hopeful that Obama can win on his own.
 
Brainster said:
Yet another post fantasizing that the Republicans will defeat themselves. It's pretty obvious why we get so many of these threads; because nobody is very hopeful that Obama can win on his own.
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We're just trying to tweak Republicans. I thought it wasn't working. ;)
 
Brainster said:
Yet another post fantasizing that the Republicans will defeat themselves. It's pretty obvious why we get so many of these threads; because nobody is very hopeful that Obama can win on his own.
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I'm not sure what you mean by "on his own". Any presidential candidate is always going to have at least one opponent, and will be measured against that opponent. Could Bush have won "on his own" in 2004?

It's not anyone's fault but the GOP's that they can't manage too field a candidate who's up to the task.

Not to mention the fact that if Gingrich wins the nomination, he's not exactly a weak conservative candidate. On the contrary, he seems to be espousing the ideals that conservatives have been repeatedly telling us we need to get back to. If America ends up rejecting him - and those ideals - well, that should tell you something.
 
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Brainster said:
Yet another post fantasizing that the Republicans will defeat themselves. It's pretty obvious why we get so many of these threads; because nobody is very hopeful that Obama can win on his own.
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That's funny, because the folks over at Intrade think Obama's got a good chance of being re-elected; and his chances are getting better. Here's the latest numbers...

Obama 56.0%
GOP candidate 42.6%

I like those odds :D
 
This just goes to show you how screwed up the party is. Obama is darn near on the edge of non electable right now. If they had a Ronald Reagan to put forward, he would win with a landslide. But they have the clown car unloading at the headquarters here. I mean Newt Gingrich? Srsly? For ril?
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
Yep. It's entirely reasonable, I think, that we assume these two years (where he paid a little less than 14% on some $42.7 million income) is the most flattering information he can provide.

That is, it's fair to assume he has something worse to hide.
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Good point. I sense more embarrassing revelations to come.
 
Great so we can't pay the bills in America and he's gonna try to fix the moon. Unreal.
 
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