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Germany had the Me 264 first

... which has become completely irrelevant, more than 65 years after the fact.
 
I'm not surprised Germany would develop the Me 264 first. I can't see the Allies developing a German aircraft design... :D
 
Yeah, and Germany had them little hats w/ the turned-up brim in back and a shaving brush stuck in 'em!

Or maybe that was the Swiss? The Austrians? Anyway, some kinda Herrenvolk.
 
sackett said:
The Allies totally copied Willi Messerschmidt.
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Other way around there in this case. The B29 flew 3 months before the ME264. Only carried three and a half times as many bombs too
 
MG1962 said:
Other way around there in this case. The B29 flew 3 months before the ME264. Only carried three and a half times as many bombs too
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To be fair, its design remit was to fly a long way. It had twice the range of the B29.


They did make the ME262 which was pretty awesome. Fortunately it came too late to make a significant difference (although it did shoot down hundreds of allied planes).
 
And the german had the lederhose and wurst and green hat first....


.... was it even contested that the german had the Me 264 or whatever Me model first ?
 
Nogbad said:
They did make the ME262 which was pretty awesome. Fortunately it came too late to make a significant difference (although it did shoot down hundreds of allied planes).
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It wouldn't have made a difference in the end even if it had entered widespread service earlier. The Allied supremacy in production capacity was simply overwhelming. Consider: in the 32 months from the start of 1943 through to the end of August 1945, the United States built a total of 3,736 very heavy bombers; 28,844 heavy bombers; 16,607 medium bombers; 30,962 light bombers; and 83,551 fighters.

And these totals don't include the many thousands of aircraft on order whose construction was cancelled by the end of the war, such as the 428 F2G Corsairs; 500 P-82 Twin Mustangs; 2,500 F4U-4 Corsairs; and 5,100 P-51H Mustangs, just to name a few examples.

While the deployment of the Me 262 in significant numbers earlier would certainly have made the aerial war more costly for the Allies, in the end the Allies could make good their losses while Germany could not.
 
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The most significant fact of the German war effort during WWI and WWII is that they were defeated both times by a superior force.
 
The failure to develop a true long-range bomber was a serious handicap to the Germans. When the Soviets (at enormous cost) moved their production facilities beyond the Urals and beyond the range of German air power, they were able to mass-produce weapons without hindrance...With terrible effect.
As we learned, a long-range bomber without fighter escort is not of much account... Even if German efforts provided an aircraft capable of crossing the Atlantic I wonder how many would have made it to any meaningful target?
We had radar, squadrons of pursuit aircraft....
 
Now the Triebflugel, now THAT'S a (plane?) I would love to see rebuilt and flown!
 
Bikewer said:
The failure to develop a true long-range bomber was a serious handicap to the Germans. When the Soviets (at enormous cost) moved their production facilities beyond the Urals and beyond the range of German air power, they were able to mass-produce weapons without hindrance...With terrible effect.
As we learned, a long-range bomber without fighter escort is not of much account... Even if German efforts provided an aircraft capable of crossing the Atlantic I wonder how many would have made it to any meaningful target?
We had radar, squadrons of pursuit aircraft....
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Well, I imagine the effort would harm the allies more than the Germans. Yes, adequate defenses were possible, but that would required rigging the US East Coast with radars and with interceptor squadrons. Many hundreds of fighters and other costly assets would be necessary to adequately defend from only a few dozen bombers at most.

It probably wouldn't change a thing in the end, but Amerikabombers would, in all likelihood, cost the allies more in resources, even relatively, than they would cost the Germans to build and maintain, had they been produced early enough.

McHrozni
 
McHrozni said:
It probably wouldn't change a thing in the end, but Amerikabombers would, in all likelihood, cost the allies more in resources, even relatively, than they would cost the Germans to build and maintain, had they been produced early enough.
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Even if we grant that would have been the case, the Allies had resources to spare. Germany did not.
 
McHrozni said:
Well, I imagine the effort would harm the allies more than the Germans. Yes, adequate defenses were possible, but that would required rigging the US East Coast with radars and with interceptor squadrons. Many hundreds of fighters and other costly assets would be necessary to adequately defend from only a few dozen bombers at most.

It probably wouldn't change a thing in the end, but Amerikabombers would, in all likelihood, cost the allies more in resources, even relatively, than they would cost the Germans to build and maintain, had they been produced early enough.

McHrozni
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Ich sage, dass wir es von der Bahn entfernen und mit Kernwaffen angreifen. It' s die einzige Weise, sicher zu sein

http://www.luft46.com/misc/sanger.html
 
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