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George W. Bush 'knew Guantánamo prisoners were innocent'

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article7092435.ece

George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld covered up that hundreds of innocent men were sent to the Guantánamo Bay prison camp because they feared that releasing them would harm the push for war in Iraq and the broader War on Terror, according to a new document obtained by The Times.
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I can see where this might be more appropriate for the Politics forum, but if detaining "terrorists," known to be innocent, to establish a link between 9/11 and Iraq isn't a conspiracy theory, I don't know what is.

If the prisoners are innocent, who's guilty?

Yes, I read the entire article. Yes I know there are denials. No, that doesn't shock me.
 
RedIbis said:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article7092435.ece



I can see where this might be more appropriate for the Politics forum, but if detaining "terrorists," known to be innocent, to establish a link between 9/11 and Iraq isn't a conspiracy theory, I don't know what is.

If the prisoners are innocent, who's guilty?

Yes, I read the entire article. Yes I know there are denials. No, that doesn't shock me.
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How did you get the "establish a link" from that article? :confused:
 
RedIbis said:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article7092435.ece



I can see where this might be more appropriate for the Politics forum, but if detaining "terrorists," known to be innocent, to establish a link between 9/11 and Iraq isn't a conspiracy theory, I don't know what is.

If the prisoners are innocent, who's guilty?

Yes, I read the entire article. Yes I know there are denials. No, that doesn't shock me.
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Take it politics, ********.

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DGM said:
How did you get the "establish a link" from that article? :confused:
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Here:
Mr Cheney and Mr Rumsfeld, Colonel Wilkerson said, deemed the incarceration of innocent men acceptable if some genuine militants were captured, leading to a better intelligence picture of Iraq at a time when the Bush Administration was desperate to find a link between Saddam Hussein and 9/11, “thus justifying the Administration’s plans for war with that country”.
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RedIbis said:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article7092435.ece



I can see where this might be more appropriate for the Politics forum, but if detaining "terrorists," known to be innocent, to establish a link between 9/11 and Iraq isn't a conspiracy theory, I don't know what is.

If the prisoners are innocent, who's guilty?

Yes, I read the entire article. Yes I know there are denials. No, that doesn't shock me.
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1. It is more appropriate in the "politics" section.
2. All it proves, unfortunately, is the obsession with warring (with Saddam) that Junior and Mr. Potter had. Well Duh!!!
3. This thread has NO PLACE in the 9/11 CT section.

TAM:)
 
T.A.M. said:
3. This thread has NO PLACE in the 9/11 CT section.
TAM:)
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Indeed. It smells a lot like the customary "they're bad people so they must be guilty of.... whatever" CTer argument.

Even if you could prove conclusively that Geordie Whelps personally boiled little kittens alive it would have no relevance at all to the guilt for the 9/11 attacks.
 
Maybe this part ???

He alleged that for Cheney and Rumsfeld thought “innocent people languishing in Guantánamo for years was justified by the broader War on Terror and the small number of terrorists who were responsible for the September 11 attacks”.

 
This doesn't change anything about Al Qaeda being guilty of the 9/11 attacks.

But it sure puts another nail in Guantanamo's coffin.
 
I see. So Bush & Co. blew up the WTC in a surreptitious controlled demolition and shot a missile into the Pentagon so that they could blame it on a group of airplane-hijacking patsies who were all nationals of allied or non-hostile states (as opposed to, say, any Iraqis), but who were also associated with a terrorist group headquartered in Afghanistan and in that capacity provided a convenient pretext for an invasion of that country, in the commission of which was to be procured intelligence that might possibly connect said terrorist group to Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq (possibly), thus expediting the long-planned invasion of Iraq which would have happened anyway. And yet no such intelligence ever surfaced (oh well).

Great stuff.
 
so what is this topic about.....9-11 or the GITMO detainees?

and btw, there is a ton of evidence implicating the 19 hijackers, UBL, and KSM.

so there. thread has been owned.
 
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T.A.M. said:
1. It is more appropriate in the "politics" section.
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How are unsupported allegations more appropriate to the "politics" section?

... Never mind.

2. All it proves, unfortunately, is the obsession with warring (with Saddam) that Junior and Mr. Potter had. Well Duh!!!
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What, exactly, does this article prove, and how is it proven?

3. This thread has NO PLACE in the 9/11 CT section.
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And yet it sure does seem to be a conspiracy theory of some kind...
 
Remember the German, Khalid El Masri, arrested in Macedonia supposedly on terrorist evidence? Bush operatives decided to keep the man in a prison he was being tortured in for more than a month while the Bushies figured out how to tell the Germans the Bushies had ordered one of their innocent citizens tortured.
In April 2004, CIA Director George Tenet learned that El-Masri was being wrongfully detained. National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice learned of his detention shortly thereafter in early May and ordered his release.[7] El-Masri was released on May 28 following a second order from Rice.[7] They flew him out of Afghanistan and released him at night on a desolate road in Albania, without apology, or funds to return home.
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From citation #7, above:
senior U.S. officials tell NBC News that CIA realized early on, it had the wrong man — but kept him in prison anyway. They say he was kept in the primitive prison for more than a month after CIA director George Tenet was informed of the case, while officials tried to figure out a way to fix their mistake
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So it should be no surprise to find that many involved in the Gitmo injustice were well aware they had innocent people in the prison and didn't admit it or let them out.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
Remember the German, Khalid El Masri, arrested in Macedonia supposedly on terrorist evidence? Bush operatives decided to keep the man in a prison he was being tortured in for more than a month while the Bushies figured out how to tell the Germans the Bushies had ordered one of their innocent citizens tortured.

From citation #7, above:


So it should be no surprise to find that many involved in the Gitmo injustice were well aware they had innocent people in the prison and didn't admit it or let them out.
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I wonder why they didn't have enough guilty terrorists, like those supposedly involved in the planning of 9/11. Since there was a shortage, I suppose they wanted to round up as many as possible to give the image of a vast terror network.
 
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