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George Anderson slams JE and JVP

RC

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Wow, check out this month's "Message of Hope" written by George Anderson on his website. Under the guise of lashing out at the media, he takes big hits at John Edward and James Van Praagh. While not naming either one, it is clear who he is talking about. JE is the one who said he wasn't getting anything for a caller on the LKL show. JVP is the one known for collecting info in advance from people on his television show and for milking the "crying".

I've never seen this kind of attack from one big name medium on another. Just when I start to get very bored with the mediumship thing, something like this comes along.

http://www.georgeanderson.com/messagesofhope.htm
 
What a Hypocite

Great link!

What a jackass, though! He decries the mediums for taking advantage of the bereaved. Yeah, and it only costs $2000 for a family to talk to him for 50-60 minutes. Or $1000 to talk to him on the phone for an hour. Oh wait, what a generous soul, if you want to talk to him one-on-one for 20 minutes, it is only $500!

Shudder.
 
Wow, very interesting RC.

I guess I have a few complaints about this, reading through the whole rant. First, why doesn't he name the mediums? There are only a handful of possibilities anyway. Isn't it more fair to clairfy to the public which ones you are talking about? Why all of the innuendo and lumping everyone's "sins" in together?

If JE was the one who said "No one's here" to a caller on LKL why not say it? If JVP gets info ahead of time, why not specifically mention the way JVP works? I don't like the innuendo.

Since JE is the only medium regularly on tv now (plus, possibly Sylvia on Montel), it could be easy for someone to assumed that all GA's comments are describing him when they're not. That seems very unfair. (Also, why no mention of Sylvia, come to think of it? Plenty of room for criticism there and she is certainly another famous tv medium).

There's something about the tone of this that I don't like, kind of like, "I'm not so successful and famous as others, so I'm publicly saying it's because I'm more genuine and they're manipulating and bilking people in order to be sucessful."

I mean, if he does it better and more ethically than they all do--and if he cares more about grieving people than they do, as he claims--then he should be more present in the media, do more work to educate the public, not less. What's all this "I'm going to disappear" stuff? He should be front and center, showing people what "real" mediums, caring mediums, ethical mediums are all about. He should be helping people realize the difference themselves, by his example.

Going into hiding "on principle"? To me, that makes absolutely no sense at all.

Additionally, it would have been nice if he'd gotten all the facts right (for example, that CO does have a grief counselor to talk with everyone who is read). His "one size fits all" criticism of "TV mediums" sounds like a huge dose of sour grapes to me, at least expressed in this particular way.

(And, wasn't "Contact" all about celebrity/famous people being read? I don't remember it very well, but I remember very few readings in the hour and all had a pop culture/celebrity connection, I thought).

Beyond that, we can't know one way or the other, but I'd be very surprised if GA actually wrote this himself. It just doesn't sound like him to me...not a "claim", just an unprovable "impression".....
 
Hi Clancie,

I'm not defending GA's post, just find it fascinating. I think he wrote it though. I've read little digs at other mediums in his other "messages of hope" but nothing like this month's rant.

GA also recently wrote that he will no longer go on seminar tours because he dislikes the organization that puts them together. I think that was a hit on Learning Annex, but once again he didn't name names.

All in all, it's a little bizarre. If GA thinks JE is a fake, why did he test with him in the Schwartz experiment? Maybe he thought he would do well and JE would bomb?

I don't really know what to make of his commentary. It's just really weird. I share your desire that he just name names and be clear. If he thinks other mediums are fakes, I wish he'd say who and why.
 
arcticpenguin,

George Anderson is a medium who has been giving readings since the late 70's, I think. There are three books about him, starting with "We Don't Die" by Joel Martin and Patricia Romanowski. He doesn't have a TV show, although apparently he was on a Long Island cable show (the name escapes me) in the late 80's. He also did one prime-time special (as mentioned by Clancie) called "Contact" that aired last year. I think it was supposed to be a quarterly show but so far they've only shown one.

I think sour grapes might indeed be playing into this. But, if he is a genuine medium and he thinks JE is a fake because he didn't get any message for a caller on Larry King Live, then I wish he'd come out and say it with JE's name. Maybe he's afraid of being sued for slander?
 
I found the rant to be quite interesting. I also found his FAQ on his programs to be very interesting:
http://www.georgeanderson.com/programs1.htm

He seems to take swipes at both cold and hot readers, and is trying to distance himself from them. He says he maintains 2 offices, to maintain confidentiality of names and addresses. He also encourages tape recorders, wants people only to say yes or no (a swipe at cold readers), and invites skeptics - totally denying that any "negative energy" can affect the reading.

Assuming that he is not actually talking to the dead (a pretty safe assumption in my books) he is either extremely self deluded or he has a huge set of brass ones to call the others frauds, stating their techniques even, and still claim to be genuine.

Does anyone know anyone who has been read by this guy? Or seen any of his older tv appearances? I'd be interested in hearing what they are like.
 
George Anderson is also considered the best medium in the world
An interesting statement on his FAQ page. Of course, it makes you wonder...."considered it...by whom?" and "How can we tell the who the 'best medium in the world' is? Is there a certification process? An international contest?"
Posted by Thanz

Does anyone know anyone who has been read by this guy? Or seen any of his older tv appearances? I'd be interested in hearing what they are like.
I don't know anyone who's been read by him, but Schwartz seemed more impressed by him than any others in Arizona (even reproduced the entire GA reading in his book--the only one he did that for).

There's an film of him giving a reading on the Linda Ellerbee Co. documentary for HBO, "Life After Life". I thought the reading he gave to the bereaved couple was very good, (but it would have been better if the director had somehow verified that GA had no prior information about the sitters. Its seemed to be assumed that this was true, but no one actually said it).
 
Clancie wrote:

I guess I have a few complaints about this, reading through the whole rant. First, why doesn't he name the mediums?

Probably for the same reason snakes don't bite lawyers...

professional courtesy. :wink:
 
Re: What a Hypocite

Starrman said:
Great link!

What a jackass, though! He decries the mediums for taking advantage of the bereaved. Yeah, and it only costs $2000 for a family to talk to him for 50-60 minutes. Or $1000 to talk to him on the phone for an hour. Oh wait, what a generous soul, if you want to talk to him one-on-one for 20 minutes, it is only $500!

Shudder.

Which makes it obvious why he decries theother mediums, he doesn't want the competition.
 
Thanz wrote:

Does anyone know anyone who has been read by this guy? Or seen any of his older tv appearances? I'd be interested in hearing what they are like.

I live on Long Island, and I'm very familiar with his "act". I've seen many of his "performances" on his old cable access show, and let me put it this way...

if you're planning on getting a reading from George, I suggest you bundle up and wear a scarf, because his methods are rather chilly. :D
 
Clancie said:

:confused: (GA doesn't do much television--and the point of the article was that he's not going to do any).
He's done television before, and bombed. It's easy to say you're not going to do television when nobody wants you anyway. :D
 
Pyrrho said:
He's done television before, and bombed.
Isn't this the guy who predicted that the USA would basically be flooded out by now, and that Colorado would be on the west coast? Isn't he the guy who "dramatized" his own readings to make them seem amazingly accurate?
 
Clancie,

Of course, it makes you wonder...."considered it...by whom?" and "How can we tell the who the 'best medium in the world' is? Is there a certification process? An international contest?"
Actually, it's quite easy to determine "the best medium in the world".

First, you count the "J"s in a sample of the medium to be tested's readings. Then we prepare a two-square binomial distribution using a table of names containing a minimum of two "J"s. Take the mean of the frequency of names starting with a letter within the second percentile. Double it. Subtract your age. Disgard 'n', and compare to a Poisson distribution of crows per acre.

Using this simple procedure I have calculated the results as :

SteveGrenard's 60 year trance psychic : 3594.7864
George Anderson : 17.0965
John Edward : 16.9975
James Van Praugh : 12.7869
The Pet Psychic : 11.4903
Sylvia Browne : 1.456

Obviously, higher is better. As you can see, Anderson is better than JE, but fails to come within spitting distance of Steve's favorite retiree.

If you have any questions regarding my methodology or results, please take them up with Lurker or BillHoyt.
 
Clancie said:
I guess I have a few complaints about this, reading through the whole rant. First, why doesn't he name the mediums? There are only a handful of possibilities anyway. Isn't it more fair to clairfy to the public which ones you are talking about? Why all of the innuendo and lumping everyone's "sins" in together?

Does JE name anyone he thinks are fake? No? Why is this not a problem?

Clancie said:
If JE was the one who said "No one's here" to a caller on LKL why not say it? If JVP gets info ahead of time, why not specifically mention the way JVP works? I don't like the innuendo.

LKL, Sept. 6th, 2002
CALLER: Oh, hi, Larry and John.
KING: How are you.
CALLER: Fine. I have got some questions. I was wondering about some people in my life that have passed. Lost my father.
KING: Go ahead.
EDWARD: I'm not -- I'm not getting anything from you.
KING: Anything specific, sir, your father...
CALLER: OK, my father...
EDWARD: I'm not connecting with you.
CALLER: My father.
EDWARD: I'm not feeling anything from him.
KING: I'm sorry, sir. Thank you.
EDWARD: Sorry.
KING: When that happens, how do you explain it?
EDWARD: I couldn't connect with them or they couldn't connect with me, or it's just...

Clancie said:
Since JE is the only medium regularly on tv now (plus, possibly Sylvia on Montel), it could be easy for someone to assumed that all GA's comments are describing him when they're not. That seems very unfair. (Also, why no mention of Sylvia, come to think of it? Plenty of room for criticism there and she is certainly another famous tv medium).

I'm puzzled by your statement here. Why are you assuming that GA does not talk about JE? Because he doesn't mention JE by name? Does JE mention SB by name?

Clancie said:
There's something about the tone of this that I don't like, kind of like, "I'm not so successful and famous as others, so I'm publicly saying it's because I'm more genuine and they're manipulating and bilking people in order to be sucessful."

Ah, sour grapes? Could very well be. It could also be that GA is real, and that he is pissed off at those who are not. He just has his way, as JE has his ways, especially when it comes to finding missing children. Just as Brian Hurst has his ways, too.

Clancie said:
I mean, if he does it better and more ethically than they all do--and if he cares more about grieving people than they do, as he claims--then he should be more present in the media, do more work to educate the public, not less. What's all this "I'm going to disappear" stuff? He should be front and center, showing people what "real" mediums, caring mediums, ethical mediums are all about. He should be helping people realize the difference themselves, by his example.

Should he? I don't see you criticizing Brian Hurst for not wanting to be a media star. Why is this a different case?

Clancie said:
Going into hiding "on principle"? To me, that makes absolutely no sense at all.

It does to him. In the world of mediums, that makes him right. Communicate, appreciate, validate.

Clancie said:
Additionally, it would have been nice if he'd gotten all the facts right (for example, that CO does have a grief counselor to talk with everyone who is read). His "one size fits all" criticism of "TV mediums" sounds like a huge dose of sour grapes to me, at least expressed in this particular way.

Where does GA say that CO does not have a grief counselor?

Clancie said:
(And, wasn't "Contact" all about celebrity/famous people being read? I don't remember it very well, but I remember very few readings in the hour and all had a pop culture/celebrity connection, I thought).

Is this a criticism of GA? I hope not, since JE has done his share of celebrity readings....

Clancie said:
Beyond that, we can't know one way or the other, but I'd be very surprised if GA actually wrote this himself. It just doesn't sound like him to me...not a "claim", just an unprovable "impression".....

It says "By George Anderson". It is on his website. I don't see any reason to doubt it was written by him. We would have to apply the same doubt to anything on JE's site, then.

Clancie said:
An interesting statement on his FAQ page. Of course, it makes you wonder...."considered it...by whom?" and "How can we tell the who the 'best medium in the world' is? Is there a certification process? An international contest?"

That is entirely up to the sitters to decide, remember? If they say they got good readings, then they got good readings. If you think JE has read more people than GA (and therefore have gotten more good readings), then please present your evidence hereof. However - and this is important, because you have used this argument before - that the longer a medium has been around (and not been caught), the more valid he/she is.

Has GA done readings longer than JE? If so, you got a problem.

Clancie said:
I don't know anyone who's been read by him, but Schwartz seemed more impressed by him than any others in Arizona (even reproduced the entire GA reading in his book--the only one he did that for).

Does that vouch for anything?

Clancie said:
There's an film of him giving a reading on the Linda Ellerbee Co. documentary for HBO, "Life After Life". I thought the reading he gave to the bereaved couple was very good, (but it would have been better if the director had somehow verified that GA had no prior information about the sitters. Its seemed to be assumed that this was true, but no one actually said it).

Where, on the CO show, does it say that JE had no prior information about the sitters? It could very well be in the signed agreements, but since you haven't seen those from the particular show, you don't know.

Clancie, you are very inconsistent:

  • GA does not name the people he thinks are fakes, that's a problem.
    JE doesn't either, but that's not a problem.
  • GA does not want to be in the media, that's a problem.
    Brian Hurst doesn't either, but that's not a problem.
  • GA has something critical of JE on his website, it can't be GA who wrote it.
    JE writes on his website too, but that doesn't mean he didn't write it.
  • We are not told specifically by the producer that GA did not get prior information, that's a problem.
    We are not told specifically by the producer of CO that JE does not get prior information, but that's not a problem.
 
From Anderson's rant :

I have done the only thing I can do to protest--I retired from media in 2002. I will do no media of any kind until mediummania is flushed out of the hearts and minds of people like the waste it is.
Do I detect that "mediummania" will be flushed out, and therefore he is safe to re-enter the media, shortly after he gets an offer for his own show??
 
A few more thoughts inspired George's ramblings.

All I could do is think of that man and pray his loved ones could show him some small sign that they were around him and cared for him, so that he wouldnt think it was anything he did.
Well, spirits often interfere with electricity, causing lights to blink on and off. Perhaps they could use the lights to generate a message using morse code? Or perhaps not.

...being fed information and pretending to hear it from "the other side," or to hire an assistant to stand on line next to you at the studio to gather information about your loved one only to parrot it back to you on camera.
...
One woman who came to me a few months after she volunteered for a popular show admitted to me that she blamed herself for things going so badly. "First, I had to tell them everything, including my loved one's name. Then I had to pretend I was impressed when the medium haltingly stated my loved one's name, as if hearing it for the first time. I was told that the people who really cry during their session get to come back again for more, so I did what I could. ... My husband didn't speak to me for a week afterwards."
Well, there you have it Clancie - allegations of cheating, of "plants" in the audience, and of "pre show" interviews to gather information. George Anderson says he has been told directly by people involved that this is happening. This isn't proof, but it *is* an allegation - I guess we can't say "where are the claims that cheating occurs" anymore.
 

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