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Merged General Holocaust denial discussion Part IV

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Saggy said:
Nope. Game over. It's getting more difficult to deal with the degenerate lies of the Zionists.

"Stanisława met Dr Mengele,[3] and was advised to euthanize the newborns she delivered. She did not comply."

Is there no absurdity you will not stoop to?
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Why don't you cut the foreplay short and show your evidence of the "hoax?"

This is a continuation from here due to the length of the previous thread. As always, all Holocaust-related discussion should be confined to this thread. Thank you.
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LemmyCaution said:
>> Kubica's figure of 680 births registered, which is accurate compared to the exaggerated 3000 cited by a Catholic publication . . .

It struck me, reading Saggy's posts on this, how deferential he is to witnesses whose testimony - and exaggerations - fit his biases, even whilst arguing that all Holocaust witnesses are liars, lack credibility, etc. With his "friendly" witnesses, he accepts whatever they've said, without a moment's thought or hesitation; whereas with witnesses whose testimony undermines his claims, he dismisses everything they say, again without thought. The double standard is glaring.

Yet in both cases, he floats free of substance, making knee-jerk pronouncements and snide jokes so he can misuse elements of evidence to suit his purposes - without ever grappling with the range of evidence, what witnesses have said, when and why.

Saggy still hasn't explained his basis for calling Auschwitz scholar Kubica a liar. I asked him if he'd read her chapter in the Auschwitz history. I know, get serious, right?

For readers who care, here is the Nuremberg translation of Glucks' 27 April 1943 order, which I cited above and to which Nick Terry alludes:
I wrote above that I hadn't read this order; I found that I had . . . oops. I am sure I haven't read Kubica's other sources, on which I await Saggy's critical remarks.
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Stanisława Leszczyńska arrived in Auschwitz on 17 April 1943 and I assume she left on 27 January 1945, which represents more or less 650 days. I we are going to believe what she says, 3000 childbirths represent an average of almost 5 per day. If true, Auschwitz was not a concentration and death camp, but a Lebensborn institution...
 
Thanks for noting that detail. To spell this out for Saggy, the KL policy changed on 27 April 1943: "Early in Auschwitz’s history women discovered to be pregnant were simply put to death, either by phenol injection or as part of a group in the gas chambers (p 267). In the rare case in which a non-Jewish woman did give birth, her pregnancy having been undiscovered, both women and child were killed by SS physicians or orderlies using lethal injection. This murder was part of action 14f13; when that action was halted in early 1943, for some months pregnant prisoners and mothers were no longer murdered - rather, newborns were killed (p 268)."

Leszczyńska arrived, then, 10 days before the new policy was announced - and thus was not in Auschwitz during the phase when pregnant women were routinely murdered.

It is likely - although Saggy will have trouble grasping this - that, not having witnessed the more murderous phase, Leszczyńska did not testify about it after the war.
 
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As with the Apollo Moon Landings, the Holocaust has a consistent and verifiable narrative; there are planning documents operational records, hundreds of thousand of witnesses, tens of thousands of key people involved in the operation, architect/designer drawings and schematics, goods and equipment orders, contractors records, construction details, records of testing, and leftover equipment and buildings.

As is usual with this type of conspiracy theorist, proponents of hoaxes are quick to point up inconsistencies and cry "hoax" but they cannot come up with a consistent, internally and externally verifiable narrative explaining step by step, with details, exactly how the hoax was perpetrated.

In the case of the alleged holohoax, proponents need to..

► explain away the eye-witnesses who saw (and helped) German soldiers to hunt down Jews living in German cities.

► explain away the witnesses to Jews being loaded into boxcars by the tens of thousands.

► explain away the Deutsche Reichsbahn records of transporting these people to the death camps and other camps.

► explain away the disappearance, many without a trace, of millions of Jewish & Romani people.

► explain away the schematics, construction and use of the gas chambers, and the goods orders and delivery to the camps of over 50,000 kg of Zyklon B.

► explain away the eye-witnesses who saw the remaining decomposing corpses of tens of thousands of Jews and others that were found when the camps were liberated.

► explain away the testimony of German soldiers who admitted to what they did.

These just a few of the prominent things that are part of the true narrative of the Holocaust; all of it is self-consistent. I am sure that Holocaust scholars among us can add many more parts of this narrative to my modest list.

Deniers need to explain these things away, and replace them with a credible, documented, verifiable alternative, but they cannot. When you ask them to do so, all you get is.... crickets!

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I like to point out to deniers that I can prove the Germans and Italians, which were interred by the British during WWII, primarily on the Isle of Man, were not gassed or shot. I do so by showing the witnesses and documents to what did take place, the lack of human remains and that that those people can be tracked returning from the island on liberation.

So, they should be able to do the same with those Jews registered and sent to the AR camps and places such as Babi Yar, Ponary and Rumbula. Since they cannot, their version did not happen.
 
Since the one denier here has decided to ignore my questions and points, I will be ignoring him. I think he enjoys the attention and it should just stop. Instead, I like the idea of discussing tactics and evidence to use against deniers.

I like to point out to deniers that I can prove no German or Italian interred on the Isle of Man was gassed or shot. I can show witnesses and documents which prove what did take place, the lack of human remains and that those people can be tracked leaving the island and returning home.

Since deniers cannot do the same for the AR camps and people sent to places such as Babi Yar, Ponary and Rumbula, their version of mass survival did not happen.
 
smartcooky said:
In the case of the alleged holohoax, proponents need to..

► explain away the eye-witnesses who saw (and helped) German soldiers to hunt down Jews living in German cities.

► explain away the witnesses to Jews being loaded into boxcars by the tens of thousands.

► explain away the Deutsche Reichsbahn records of transporting these people to the death camps and other camps.

► explain away the disappearance, many without a trace, of millions of Jewish & Romani people.

► explain away the schematics, construction and use of the gas chambers, and the goods orders and delivery to the camps of over 50,000 kg of Zyklon B.

► explain away the eye-witnesses who saw the remaining decomposing corpses of tens of thousands of Jews and others that were found when the camps were liberated.

► explain away the testimony of German soldiers who admitted to what they did.
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All prima facie absurd zionist lies and degenerate propaganda, Saggy knows best! HAHHAHAHAHA!

JK - seriously though, that will likely be Saggy's reply, if one is made. He really is a sad specimen.
 
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Nessie said:
I like to point out to deniers that I can prove the Germans and Italians, which were interred by the British during WWII, primarily on the Isle of Man, were not gassed or shot. I do so by showing the witnesses and documents to what did take place, the lack of human remains and that that those people can be tracked returning from the island on liberation.
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You do know that they will call you a Zionist shill when you do that, right?
 
tinribmancer said:
You do know that they will call you a Zionist shill when you do that, right?
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I have been called much worse than that. I am presently suspended from the RODOH forum because I had had enough and warned a denier called Charles Traynor, that if I found out exactly who he was, I would look to take him to court for libel. He was repeatedly accusing me of supporting paedophiles. At least they suspended CT as well.
 
Since Saggy has marched off to attack Russia. I have a question, how many people today make their living making, writing or selling denier material?
 
Hans said:
Since Saggy has marched off to attack Russia. I have a question, how many people today make their living making, writing or selling denier material?
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If you mean, earning enough to make a living exclusively from Holocaust denial, it could be as low as one person (Germar Rudolf, Castle Hill publisher and head of CODOH).

Everyone else could claim a pension or doesn't seem to earn enough to do it full-time.
 
Rudolph is head of CODOH! I take it the forum is not much to do with him, like this place was not much to do with James Randi.
 
Cosmic Yak said:
Hasn't Saggy already called us all Zionist shills, or degenerate Haribos or something?
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I love degenerate Haribos.
 
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abaddon said:
Haribos are only degenerate when the kids let them dissolve into the upholstery.
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An absurd Zionist lie! Give me just one single credible witness to your kids dissolving Haribos.
 
Cosmic Yak said:
Hasn't Saggy already called us all Zionist shills, or degenerate Haribos or something?

It's much easier than actually dealing with the evidence.
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That's because I can't call you what I'd like to call you?
 
LemmyCaution said:
Thanks for noting that detail. To spell this out for Saggy, the KL policy changed on 27 April 1943: "
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This is an example of a preposterous (no need to list the reasons) prima facie absurd degenerate lie that the hoaxers can't produce at the drop of an inconvenient fact. It's like you need a Kuwait incubator hoax? No problem, they have an endless supply. That is the holohoax.
 
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