Fuel requirements and fireproofing WTC7

[Edx]

Someone posted something to my youtube video here..

I asked him how long he thinks the fireproofing was rated for on WTC7 steel (which was about 2 and a half to 3 hours. )

He then claims that fire would "burn out" because they have "fuel requirements" in rooms...

Before I reply I wanted to get some opinions on this, I googled several articles on fireproofing and couldnt find anything about what he is talking about.

But each room could only stock a certain amount of furniture, office supplies, etc. The code for fire purposes restricts the amount of supplies(fuel) in each room. The fire in each room will burn out the fuel before damaging the fireproofed steel frame. Even if the fire burns all day, it's a different portion of the building that is actually burning. That's why noone can repeat this using a smaller model.

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I'd say the fireproofing is good for 2 hours. And again, I'd approximate the fire in building 7 was going for about 7 hours. So what? There are fuel requirements in each room of WTC7 that are up to code. The fuel(office furniture, furnishings,etc) burns out and that portion of the fire is now dead or barely alive. The fire moves to the next fuel source. The fire never stays hot or long enough in one spot.

 

[A W Smith]

after reading 162 pages out of 639 of the NYC fire code.. I couldn't find one reference regarding "limits amount of furniture, office supplies, etc.".Rather than pulling fantasy out of his ass and making **** up on the fly. Ask him to point out the source. Ask him to read this NYC code.


http://www.nyc.gov/html/fdny/pdf/fi...08_amended_ll37_41_64_2009_final_complete.pdf

 

[Alferd_Packer]

I wonder if he is confused by NYC codes limiting the total amount of deisel fuel that can be stored on a floor to 600 gallons. (or was it 500?).

That is of course a different concept from "fuel load."

 

[alienentity]

Someone posted something to my youtube video here..

I asked him how long he thinks the fireproofing was rated for on WTC7 steel (which was about 2 and a half to 3 hours. )

He then claims that fire would "burn out" because they have "fuel requirements" in rooms...

Before I reply I wanted to get some opinions on this, I googled several articles on fireproofing and couldnt find anything about what he is talking about.



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This same guy (charlesfloyb) showed up and started a DenialFest on my Hardfire: Mark Roberts et al videos.

He denies that computer models are valid
He denies that a gash was seen on the S. side of WTC7
He denies that fires could have weakened the steel

etc etc etc... (yawn)

If you want to see his comments (and mine) start with the first video of 3 in the series:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Klac_3f2NAI


ETA he wrote 'But it's hard to believe that fire could actually collapse the building since no other high rise had it happen, and no other test model could or can duplicate it. There isn't even a fire test on the bare steel that shows it will "melt, soften, weaken, any verb you want" the steel to make it fail.'

He's of course completely out to lunch, he hasn't done the basic research to know what has actually been looked at and by whom, and he's just talking.

 

[triforcharity]

EDX,

If you want, you can post my PM to you. I think it might shed some light on the topic.

 

[Edx]

Thanks guys and cheers triforcharity for your PM!!