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Frieden's Physics From Fisher Information

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Book Description
This book defines and develops a unifying principle of physics, that of 'extreme physical information'. The information in question is, perhaps surprisingly, not Shannon or Boltzmann entropy but, rather, Fisher information, a simple concept little known to physicists. Both statistical and physical properties of Fisher information are developed. This information is shown to be a physical measure of disorder, sharing with entropy the property of monotonic change with time. The information concept is applied 'phenomenally' to derive most known physics, from statistical mechanics and thermodynamics to quantum mechanics, the Einstein field equations, and quantum gravity. Many new physical relations and concepts are developed, including new definitions of disorder, time and temperature. The information principle is based upon a new theory of measurement, one which incorporates the observer into the phenomenon that he/she observes. The 'request' for data creates the law that, ultimately, gives rise to the data. The observer creates his or her local reality.




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1 of 1 people found the following review helpful:

Clarifying physics, June 22, 2002
Reviewer: Jan Kahre from Helsinki Finland
"Physics from Fisher Information" is a unification, indeed. The author derives the physical laws for such different fields as quantum mechanics, classical electromechanics, general relativity and statistical mechanics from the single powerful principle of Extreme Physical Information (EPI). This principle probably goes deeper than merely a mathematical similarity between the laws, which as such already helps to grasp the full picture of physics. Personally, I think it's a pity this clarifying book was not written yet when I was a student of physics. To miss this book, is to miss something essential.

24 of 25 people found the following review helpful:

Well-written and important, but keep math texts handy, May 29, 2000
Reviewer: Roger Cox (see more about me)
This is a compilation of Roy Frieden's work in major physics journals over the last decade deriving the basic laws of physics - relativistic quantum mechanics, electromagnetism, gravitation, statistical thermodynamics - from a quantity (used by mathematical statisticians and by hardly anyone else) called Fisher Information. He derives the Klein-Gordon equation, Schroedinger wave equations, Maxwell's equations, DeWitt-Wheeler law of quantum gravity, and various statistical thermodynamics laws. Whew. Basically, while folks have focused in the past on Shannon information and entropy (all global measures), Frieden's worked on Fisher information which is a local measure (e.g. based on a derivative). Optimization of functionals of Fisher information gives differential equations as results, which become laws of physics. Cute.

Anyone with a Bachelors in Engineering would have been exposed to enough physics to understand what Frieden has done. The mathematics is at senior-level math/grad level engineering level. Well-written and not at all cryptic, Frieden goes out of his way to motivate his arguments. In fact, Roy spends 100 pages in preparation and discussion before he even gets to his first real derivation.

Operations Researchers (like me), Applied Mathematicians, EE Control Theory types and Statisticians will find the mathematics pretty comfortable...even if we don't understand all the physics implications. Philosophical types with strong math backgrounds can profitably wade through the text just to get a flavor of his arguments.

Cambridge *really* wanted to publish this textbook. They even included Frieden's umm..errr...interesting pencil sketches of himself and other luminaries. Check out the New Scientist archives for an article in January 1999 on Frieden's work.

One warning. This is *not* light reading. Those looking for the "Tao of Fisher Information" will have to wait for some of us to write a pop sci version of his work. If you want to get a feeling for Frieden's work before you buy the book, read the articles "Estimation of distribution laws, and physical laws, by a principle of extremized physical information", Physica A, 198 (1993) 262-338 or "Lagrangians of physics and the game of Fisher-information transfer", Phys Rev E, 52(3), Sept 1995, 2274-2286.


8 of 23 people found the following review helpful:

Fisher knowledge is the only knowledge, February 20, 1999
Reviewer: Earl Delaventura (earldel@cyberdude.com) from Badaxe, USA
With my advanced copy of this wonderful book, I can truly say that all physics ends here. I foresee every field of science laying down their texts and proclaiming this one as the end all be all. A must read for anyone.
 
Dear Mr. Yalel,

I would think that Fisher Information would be very well known to physicists.

Sincerely,

S. H.
 
Hello, Yalel. Long time no see, eh?

Can you give us your review of this book rather than random Amazon readers?
 
Re: Re: Frieden's Physics From Fisher Information

Sherlock Holmes said:
Dear Mr. Yalel,

I would think that Fisher Information would be very well known to physicists.

Sincerely,

S. H.


An interesting test of your hypothesis is how many of the physicists on this forum are familiar with Fisher Information and Frieden's and other work in this area?
 
off-topic. but a good indicator of the true quality of your own high level of scientific expertise -- and attitude. :-)
 
I didn't say anything about whether this is a good or bad theory. Maybe later we can discuss my opinion, but since you started the thread, I thought it would only be fair to start with yours. I just want to know why you posted this, that's all, and why you think its a good test of physics knowledge.

It seems like a fair inference that you believe this is a good and correct theory, so I'd like you to explain why. If that's not a fair inference, just tell me.
 
I recently came across Fisher Information and Frieden's work with regards to it, and some other work in regards to it as well.

It seems to be an interesting approach to seeing and understanding certain aspects of physics and: 1) I thought others here on this section might find it worthwhile knowing about if they did not yet know about it, plus 2) it might prove to be something that serious physicists and mathematicians here might want to comment on. Pro or con.
 

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