For my friend Franko.

[Pahansiri]

For my friend Franko.

Greetings ..

Franko perhaps you have been too busy to respond to my last post or our conversation at the “ Ideal Religion” thread.

It was long as we know I am very detail driven and do tend to go on.

If you will allow. Let us skip over all the rest of the post and my points and questions and just address my response to your last paragraph of your last post to me.

Franko wrote:

The “God” that I worship does not really care about whether you worshipped her or even acknowledged Her. She is more concerned with how you interacted with the other entities (Souls) you encountered while here.

There is two main problems with your statement above both are contradictions to your earlier statements concerning your beliefs.

1- You have said in the past “she” ( your Goddess) DID become upset that people did not believe in her and follow her wishes and would punish them. Perhaps my explaining to you that the flaw in that belief was, you believe we have no free will and she controls us completely and if we did not believe in her it would have to be what she wanted.. See I do help you.

2- In addition for you to believe what you said as to her “concerns”/desires means that some beings do not do as she wishes i.e. treating other “souls” well. This clearly means you DO believe in some form of free will..


You see if that was her desire and concern and she controlled all things and all things were fate if some “souls” did not treat other “souls” well it would be her fault not theirs. So if it were her desire that all treat others well she better fix it, not become angry or disappointed in us who have no free will. Right?

She is more concerned with how you interacted with the other entities (Souls) you encountered while here.

1-If there is no free will
2 and the Goddess controls all things
3- How can she want people to do what she makes them not do?

I would say that this universe is a test. It is a test to see how compatible your Soul is with other Souls.

I respect you believe that.

BUT if there is no free will then if soul A does not treat other souls well it is the fault of YOUR Goddess not “soul” A. Frank think about what you say.

How can it be a test if there is no free will? Such a test would be like a teacher giving her students a math test. She also gives half the class the right answers and the other ½ the wrong answers to use on the test. She then tells them to make sure to use only the answers she provided to respond to the test.

How can she then fail the ½ she gave the wrong answers to and be angry they failed the test they had no chance of passing?

If you are a compatible entity then you will end up in a place with many, many other compatible entities. However if you were an incompatible entity then you will end up either isolated and utterly alone, or else you will go to the place where all of the other incompatible entities went and you can all be incompatible together for the rest of eternity.

Great, a very loving Goddess you have there. She makes you do bad things and then she punishes you for doing what she makes you do???

Franko you are a very intelligent guy but you clearly do not think out what you say and believe when it comes to this.


This is like a baker that makes a cake using all chocolate ingredients, 100% chocolate ingredients then when the cake is done and is a chocolate cake. The baker becomes angry at the cake because it is not Vanilla.

 

[Franko]

Pahansiri,

I’m sorry I haven’t gotten back to you sooner Pahansiri, but I am running low on Time. I apologize, but I must be brief …

1- You have said in the past “she” ( your Goddess) DID become upset that people did not believe in her and follow her wishes and would punish them.

If you consider not letting murderers, rapists, thieves, and liars (i.e. people who do not believe there are consequences for action) into your house (“heaven”) as a “punishment”, then I guess what you say is True.

Personally I consider it more in line with “self defense” (or common sense) than “punishment”, but then again I am admittedly biased as a Fatalist with a firm belief in consequences for action.

Perhaps you could explain why ALL imtheists are convinced that if God does exist She has to be an evil male moron … ?

… oohhh yeah – never mind.

In addition for you to believe what you said as to her “concerns”/desires means that some beings do not do as she wishes i.e. treating other “souls” well. This clearly means you DO believe in some form of free will.

No, I am a Fatalist. There is no such thing as “free will”, and the fact that you cannot demonstrate “free will” or even define the term consistently should be obvious proof of this FACT, but then again I should never underestimate the power of wishful thinking.

As I have stated to you (over and over again) the Goddess is not the entity that created your Soul. She only (hehe) generates this universe (this reality). When She brought you here She had no idea as to your inherent nature (Good or Evil). She cannot simply “look” at you and determine if you are good or evil. It takes time, even for Her. That is her purpose for keeping you here under observation. She is judging and assessing what type of Soul you possess.

No “free will” required on your part, or on her part.

You see if that was her desire and concern and she controlled all things and all things were fate if some “souls” did not treat other “souls” well it would be her fault not theirs. So if it were her desire that all treat others well she better fix it, not become angry or disappointed in us who have no free will. Right?

Either you are being intentionally foolish in order to promote the vanquished Goddess of Discord, or you have an extremely simplistic and naïve understanding of the concept of Fatalism.

if there is no free will then if soul A does not treat other souls well it is the fault of YOUR Goddess not “soul” A.

Only if “my” Goddess created Soul A, but She didn’t.

How can she then fail the ½ she gave the wrong answers to and be angry they failed the test they had no chance of passing?

If you happen to fail “the test”, you can rightfully blame what is left of the Progenitor (“the Remnant”) when you see Him. Of course if you can Embrace utter conformity “you’ll” hardly feel a thing.

 

[Pahansiri]

Pahansiri,

I’m sorry I haven’t gotten back to you sooner Pahansiri, but I am running low on Time. I apologize, but I must be brief …

Hello.. That is well understood as to being busy.



Pahansiri wrote- You have said in the past “she” ( your Goddess) DID become upset that people did not believe in her and follow her wishes and would punish them.

Franko wrote:

If you consider not letting murderers, rapists, thieves, and liars (i.e. people who do not believe there are consequences for action) into your house (“heaven”) as a “punishment”, then I guess what you say is True.

My friend I know you are dancing as fast as you can but your post is clearly illogical and avoiding what I said to all who are reading.

To ask me if I consider not letting murderers, rapists, thieves ya da ya da etc has nothing to do with I said or the contradictions I pointed out in your belief. Why not just address the points etc.

Besides avoiding the fact that I pointed out you have said “she” 1- did get mad if you did not believe in her and 2 – she did not get angry if you did not believe in her.

Next the main point you totally avoided is one you again self contradicted and illustrated my point in this response that being your contradiction as to free will.

In your post above you clearly say beings have free fill and do these wrong things.

How can
1- someone be murderers, rapists, thieves, and liars if it is not your Goddess will and there is no free will?
2- someone choose not to believe there are consequences for action if there is no free will and your Goddess controls all their actions and thoughts?

Franko you can not have it both ways your statements keep contradicting themselves.

How can someone be punished for something they were made to do, something they had no choice in doing?


I asked you this or posed this scenario months ago at that time you would not respond I hope you will now.

You are at a party and someone puts a drug in your drink and you pass out cold. They put a gun in your hand, THEY point your hand and gun at a child and push your finger so as to fire the gun killing the child. You are out cold until the next day.

Everyone at the party saw it was not you and what really happened.

Should you be executed for this killing?

Personally I consider it more in line with “self defense” (or common sense) than “punishment”, but then again I am admittedly biased as a Fatalist with a firm belief in consequences for action.

No you are not. You are a believer in no form of free will, your goddess of TLOP as to your belief was in control and made people do wrong so why should they be punished? You say

as a Fatalist with a firm belief in consequences for action.

As to your belief (one of the many but for this, the no free will one) there are no actions by people just robots doing what they are made to do.

Perhaps you could explain why ALL imtheists are convinced that if God does exist She has to be an evil male moron … ?

I have no idea what you are talking about or what a “imtheists” is.
1- To say you know what all of any group or belief thinks is silliness.
2- I do not believe in any Gods so can not answer for someone who does.
3- As to “she’ being evil? Well your own belief of this being if it were true says “she” is evil. She makes people do evil things, forces them to do things then punishes them for doing what she made them do. That is evil.

I would ask again why this “god” is female and what makes “her” so but … oohhh yeah – never mind. I can already hear the crickets.



Pahansiri wrote:In addition for you to believe what you said as to her “concerns”/desires means that some beings do not do as she wishes i.e. treating other “souls” well. This clearly means you DO believe in some form of free will.

No, I am a Fatalist. There is no such thing as “free will”, and the fact that you cannot demonstrate “free will” or even define the term consistently should be obvious proof of this FACT, but then again I should never underestimate the power of wishful thinking.

LOL you just keep hanging yourself.

I just demonstrated your belief in free will above and in my last post.

Do you know what you believe?


Either your Goddess makes people do evil or they choose to from a form of free will.

You can NOT have it both ways.

As I have stated to you (over and over again) the Goddess is not the entity that created your Soul. She only (hehe) generates this universe (this reality).

You have said that and you have said the opposite it depends what day it is.

When She brought you here She had no idea as to your inherent nature (Good or Evil). She cannot simply “look” at you and determine if you are good or evil. It takes time, even for Her. That is her purpose for keeping you here under observation. She is judging and assessing what type of Soul you possess.

OK lets go with this version. The point is still that someone the Progenitor (“the Remnant”) made people to be what they are, it made them good or bad. Either way they in your belief have no control over their actions for if they did they would have free will if it was their choice and not a pre programmed action.


HOW do you punish someone for doing something you made them do?

Again to my baker example that you ignored.

This is like a baker that makes a cake using all chocolate ingredients, 100% chocolate ingredients then when the cake is done and is a chocolate cake. The baker becomes angry at the cake because it is not Vanilla.

No “free will” required on your part, or on her part.

Ok lets go with this version. This completely contradicts your statement

If you consider not letting murderers, rapists, thieves, and liars (i.e. people who do not believe there are consequences for action)

If they are programmed and controlled to do this with no control or will of their own they would have NO belief as to not “thinking” their consequences for action. They would have no actions as the action would not be their own but that of the programmer.



Pahansiri wrote:You see if that was her desire and concern and she controlled all things and all things were fate if some “souls” did not treat other “souls” well it would be her fault not theirs. So if it were her desire that all treat others well she better fix it, not become angry or disappointed in us who have no free will. Right?

Franko

Either you are being intentionally foolish in order to promote the vanquished Goddess of Discord, or you have an extremely simplistic and naïve understanding of the concept of Fatalism.

LOL you are a fine dancer. Do you ever answer a question? I simply am pointing out all the flaws and contradictions of your beliefs. I own you most the credit.

Pahansiri: if there is no free will then if soul A does not treat other souls well it is the fault of YOUR Goddess not “soul” A.

Only if “my” Goddess created Soul A, but She didn’t.

1- then it is the “Progenitor (“the Remnant”)” fault not the beings.
2- It is her fault for being cruel to people who are doing things they have no control over and she knows it. So “she” too is as evil as this “Progenitor (“the Remnant”)”..

Did you do a lot of drugs? Just busting on you my friend as I have said many times I have great respect for you and your right to believe as you do.


Pahansiri How can she then fail the ½ she gave the wrong answers to and be angry they failed the test they had no chance of passing?

If you happen to fail “the test”, you can rightfully blame what is left of the Progenitor (“the Remnant”) when you see Him. Of course if you can Embrace utter conformity “you’ll” hardly feel a thing.

Just too silly.

So the “Progenitor (“the Remnant”)” has a penis and an endocrine system that has a higher ratio of testosterone to estrogen. This means “he” is comprised of matter then? Right?

And

The Goddess has breast and a vagina and an endocrine system that has a higher ratio of estrogen to testosterone. This means “she” is comprised of matter then? Right?

Be well my friend.