Flu vaccine linked to Parkinson's?

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I overheard someone say this at work. I looked around but could find nothing. No information saying there was one, none saying there wasn't.

Not even anti-vac websites I found seemed to say this.

Is there anyone here who might have some greater insight? My googling has failed me.

Thanks.
 
Old folks get flu shots: Old folks get Altzeimers. So, therefore...

Sounds bogus to me.

Sounds bogus to me.

Sounds bogus to me.

And I just had a flu shot last week.
 
Ask them how it would be linked. Parkinson's is caused by a deficiency of dopamine due to degenerations in the basal ganglia. Does anything in the flu vaccine affect the basal ganglia? Does anything in the flu vaccine cause dopamine levels to drop any other way? The answer is no, but ask anyways.

Maybe the maroons just figure the old folks are getting Parkinsons because of the flu vaccine (the vaccine is free for the ederly), rather than knowing Parkinsons is often the result of old age (not always though, re: Michael J. Fox).

Vaccines get blamed for everything, so I'm not surprised to hear of this new ridiculous pack of hooey. I wonder where they heard it from?

Maybe they heard something about the vaccine being developed for Parkinsons?
http://www.webmd.com/parkinsons-disease/news/20050615/small-step-made-toward-parkinsons-vaccine
 
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I would ask, but this person is my very first nemesis. I will not talk to her any more than is required by my job.

I think I can find out from the person she was telling. A group of us are getting our flu vaccine on Thursday, paid for by our employee, so I will ask the person she was talking to the details.

Luckily she has not influenced anyone else in the office, or I would be making a much bigger deal out of this.

Thanks Eos.
 
Wikipedia says -

Because the brain lesions found in Alzheimer's disease contain aluminum, there is concern that consumption of excess aluminium compounds may cause or contribute to the development of this and other neurodegenerative diseases (Perl, 2006, Kawahara, 2005)
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Some vaccines contain aluminum hydroxide and/or aluminum phosphate. This is probably the reason for the supposed link.

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Yep. A quick search finds hundreds of web pages talking about this. And, as you would expect, they range from out there CT pages to official denials of any possible link between vaccines containing aluminum and any health problems from them.

Caveat Emptor
 
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Flu vaccines in the US aren't adjuvanted, though.
 
*breathes*

Okay, first of all, Wiki BAD, BAD Wiki.

Second of all, aluminum is NOT found in Alzheimer lesions like that. Not built up, like it was the sole cause or something ridiculous. Not like anyone with Alzheimers has had MORE exposure than anyone else. And it is not an indicated "cause". Eliminating all the aluminum in the world would not cause Alzheimer rates to drop, blah blah, on and on, just like with the mercury and autism crappola...

Third of all, vaccines don't contain aluminum.

*grits teeths* *mumbles*

Please use better sources for your information robinson.
 
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A lot of vaccines are adjuvanted with aluminum, but not flu vaccines.
 
Eos of the Eons said:
Maybe the maroons just figure the old folks are getting Parkinsons because of the flu vaccine (the vaccine is free for the ederly), rather than knowing Parkinsons is often the result of old age (not always though, re: Michael J. Fox).
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Maybe you should learn to use Google before saying you have no idea about something. It only takes a few minutes to find stuff.:pilaugh:

Eos of the Eons said:
Vaccines get blamed for everything, so I'm not surprised to hear of this new ridiculous pack of hooey. I wonder where they heard it from?
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No, vaccines don't get blamed for everything. And it isn't usually the vaccines that people object to, but the toxic chemicals and heavy metals in them. Vaccines good, heavy metals bad. Again, Google is your friend.

I found a dozen links about this issue in less than 15 seconds. Of course, it does involve reading and thinking and stuff, as well as a skeptical eye, so maybe wondering about stuff is better than researching it.

It certainly is easier. :wackylaugh:

Aluminum hydroxide is commonly used in pediatric and adult vaccines, including those for whooping cough, hepatitis A and hepatitis B.
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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/03/060331152235.htm
 
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This is pretty common knowledge, Eos. Just look up "vaccines adjuvants" and you can find it pretty easily. In the US, only aluminum salts are licensed for use right now. Probably Canada, too.
Off the top of my head, the DTaP, TD, Gardasil, Prevnar, some HepA and B vaccines, and Adacel are adjuvanted. None of the live vaccines need adjuvants (like varicella, MMR, etc) since they're living, replicating viruses.

If you really want me to look up the package inserts I will, but it's not difficult information to obtain on your own.
 

Aluminum Potassium Sulfate (Adjuvant )

DtaP (Tripedia), DTwP (Aventis Pasteur), DT (Aventis Pasteur,), Td (Aventis Pasteur)

Aluminum Hydroxide (Adjuvant)

Anthrax (BioThrax), DTaP (Certiva, Infanrix, Acel-Imune), DT (Massachusetts), Td (Massachusetts), Hib (PedvaxHib), Hib-Hepatitis B (Comvax), Hepatitis A (Havrix, Vaqta), Hepatitis B (Engerix-B, Recombivax- HB), Lyme disease (LymeRix), Human Papillomavirus (Gardasil)

Aluminum Phosphate (Adjuvant)

DTaP (Acel-Immune), DtwP (Massachusetts, BioPort), DT (Wyeth-Lederle), Td (Massachusetts, Wyeth-Lederle), Pneumococcal (Prevnar), Rabies (BioRab), Human papillomavirus (Gardasil)

Source: CDC

Time spent on post: 2 seconds searching, 30 seconds copy and paste, 5 seconds formatting, 30 seconds to write this.

Look on Eons face: Priceless
 
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robinson said:
Maybe you should learn to use Google before saying you have no idea about something. It only takes a few minutes to find stuff.


No, vaccines don't get blamed for everything. And it isn't usually the vaccines that people object to, but the toxic chemicals and heavy metals in them. Vaccines good, heavy metals bad. Again, Google is your friend.
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Heavy metal bad. Simple as that? Just use google? Why not use reliable sources of information and your brain instead?


Some facts on Aluminum:
Aluminum, the most abundant metal on Earth, is found in soil, in water and in air.

The intake of aluminum from food for an adult amounts to about 8 milligrams per day, although higher daily intakes have also been estimated. In general, approximately 95% of the normal daily intake of aluminum for an adult comes from food. For infants, daily intakes of aluminum are usually less than 1 milligram per day.

a number of other studies have shown no relationship between aluminum in drinking water and the onset of dementia. In addition, scientists have been unable to induce Alzheimer's disease-type changes in the brains of laboratory animals expo sed to aluminum, or to explain the absence of Alzheimer's disease-type changes in brains of patients suffering from dialysis encephalopathy. Some studies have also shown little or no accumulation of aluminum in the brain tissues of Alzheimer's patients.
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http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ewh-semt/water-eau/drink-potab/aluminum-aluminium_e.html

So, nobody will say aluminum has been completly ruled out yet, they also have a lot of questions to answers. Basically, unless you ingest hundreds of times more than you already do per day, then nothing is going to change to make you more at risk of Alzheimers, especially not in the minimal amount you would get even if ALL vaccines contain them.

I'd still like to hear of what common vaccines available today have aluminum compounds in them, and if that compound stays in the body at all for even more than a few hours.

At the above link they answer some frequent questions, and basically you don't need to change anything, and can even still use aluminum pots if you aren't too paranoid about aluminum already.

If you're that concerned though, you'd better stop using deoderant and antiperspirants too.
 
I think the Lyme disease one got pulled because of autoimmune reaction lawsuits.
 
Certain aluminum compounds have been found to be an important component of the neurological damage characteristics of Alzheimer's Disease (AD). Much research over the last decade has focused on the role of aluminum in the development of this disease.
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http://www.niehs.nih.gov/external/faq/aluminum.htm

However, abundant evidence now shows that aluminum may adversely affect the nervous system in humans and animals.
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http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ewh-semt/water-eau/drink-potab/aluminum-aluminium_e.html

I thought this was about Parkinson's disease?

Aluminum deposition in the central nervous system tissues of patients with Parkinson's disease

Yasui M, Kihira T, Ota K, Mukoyama M, Adachi K.

Division of Neurological Diseases, Wakayama Medical College.

Aluminum (Al) concentration in the 26 anatomic central nervous system (CNS) regions, liver, kidney, spleen and heart of our patients with Parkinson's disease, and five neurologically normal controls was measured by a non-destructive neutron activation analysis (NAA), in order to clarify the implication of Al on pathogenesis of Parkinson's disease. Al concentration in substantia nigra, caudate nucleus and globus pallidus increased in patients with Parkinson's disease more than that in controls (p less than 0.05). There was a significant difference in Al concentration of gray matter and basal ganglia in Parkinson's disease, compared with those of controls (p less than 0.01). It is likely that high Al deposition in pathological foci responsible for Parkinson's disease might be implicated in the pathogenesis of Parkinson's disease.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1802464&dopt=Abstract
 
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Oy, you were the one who posted the Wiki stuff on Alzheimers.

Yes, I had no idea what aluminum compounds were used in any vaccine.

Now, prove a link to alzheimers. Or parkinsons. Or any other disease antivaxxers are trying to blame vaccines for.

I still would like to know how long the aluminum compounds stay in the body. Are they even absorbed into the blood stream, and passed onto any tissues in the body?

I'm still searching the CDC for the kinds of salts used in the vaccines listed. Can anyone please supply a link?
 
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Eos said:
I still would like to know how long the aluminum compounds stay in the body. Are they even aborbed into the blood stream, and passed onto any tissues in the body?
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There was an FDA meeting in Puerto Rico a few years back on the studies on aluminum toxicology, body burden, clearance rates, etc. From what I remember, in rabbits, the clearance rate is around 3 days. First stop is the lymphatic system, and then it makes it into the urinary track. Most is excreted, but what stays collects primarily in bone, then brain and muscle.
If you're curious, I'll try to re-find a link to the meeting. It's the most comprehensive source I've found on the question so far.
There was also a mouse neurotoxicity study done last year that's pretty interesting.
 
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