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Firefox 1.0 reignites browser wars!

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This certainly is a 'current event' given that it is being run by just about every news organisation out there (BBC, reuters, etc). Check out http://news.google.com.au/news?hl=e...b=nn&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=firefox&btnG=Search+News
and you'll see what I mean. So, do we reckon they can get 10% of market share like they are aiming? I reckon they can, and may do better. Who uses Firefox? Are we proud to be a part of a truly powerful and popular piece of open source software. Are people disgusted at the fact that Microsoft has been so nonchalant about the security flaws and general awfulness of Internet Explorer? Are we proud that Firefox gaining market share has forced Microsoft to bring together the IE devision that they had disbanded (so that they can stop treating users with contempt).

By the way, for everyone who doesn't already use firefox, I recommend you try it. I'll be hard for you to go back afterwards (I've converted about 10 friends so far). Check out www.getfirefox.com !
 
I read an article about ti a few months ago and decided to try it. After two months of use I rarely use Explorer anymore and like Firefox better.

Rest assured Microsoft will buy the company, sink it, and steal all the code and incorporate it into Explorer... ;)
 
zenith-nadir said:
I read an article about ti a few months ago and decided to try it. After two months of use I rarely use Explorer anymore and like Firefox better.

Rest assured Microsoft will buy the company, sink it, and steal all the code and incorporate it into Explorer... ;)
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I don't think you can call it stealing if they've bought the company. ;)

You just have to hope that the version released before MS buys the company is good enough for your use...
 
Darat said:
I don't think you can call it stealing if they've bought the company. ;)

You just have to hope that the version released before MS buys the company is good enough for your use...
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I'm using it almost exclusively now. There are some drawbacks. Sometimes plug-ins are required that FF doesn't yet support.

That could be ignorance on my part also. I recommend over IE for most purposes.
 
MS couldn't buy or steal it. The "company" leading the development effort is "The Mozilla Foundation" - a not-for-profit corporation.

And this is open source software. The code is publically available.
Microsoft - and anyone else - could make a copy of it and develop their own version. But they can't keep it from anyone else.
 
I use AvantBrowser. Its also free so check it out. I love it for the pop up blocking alone.

I dream of a day that I own a computer free of microsofts cancer.
 
Rob Lister said:
I'm using it almost exclusively now. There are some drawbacks. Sometimes plug-ins are required that FF doesn't yet support.
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It has issues with some java plug-ins for sure.
 
firefox

Seems to be a good browser. I did have some trouble at some pages, because of plugins not installed, and the auto plugin didnt work very well. But maybe this will be solved with time.
I will probably use both browsers.
 
I'm not sure this is a browser was as much as a browser massacre.

Firefox is better in almost every way than IE in areas where they are different.

One of the things that I particularly like about firefox is the way it transparently handles plugins. One of the really annoying things about the various adware crap is that it finds hooks into IE that are difficult to detect without additional software to go through and eliminate them. Firefox seems to be designed to make plugins visible. It also doesn't support activeX which I understand has been one of the major security holes for IE. I think there is an unsupported version if you really want to mess with firefox and active x but I have never found a problem not having it installed.

As far as compatibility I have found only one site in the six months or so that I have been using it where it didn't work.

I am the computer technician for a variety of family and friends. It has surprised me how much resistance to switching over to it use there is so I suspect 10% market penetration is about right. I think computer comfortable people that use the web a lot will switch to it at a much higher rate than 10%.
 
Firefox also has a little difficulty rendering some pages in PHP. This seems to be getting much better and I am sure they will have it solved soon. Overall, Firefox is excellent. My biggest complaint is one of aesthetics and it is that I am unable to push the address bar onto the same line as the menu. I prefer to have as much real estate as possible when viewing pages and I never display the standard buttons (forward, back, etc.) because I prefer to surf with the mouse or the keyboard instead.

I would probably use Firefox exclusively if it offered that capability.
 
I have been using firefox for quite some time now. Spyware is a rarity for me these days. I also don't get pop-ups.
 
BLACK HAT said:
Overall, Firefox is excellent. My biggest complaint is one of aesthetics and it is that I am unable to push the address bar onto the same line as the menu.
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Select View->Toolbars->Customize... from the menu. Then drag and drop the address bar from whereever it is currently located and onto the menu line. Then turn off the navigation toolbar.


I would probably use Firefox exclusively if it offered that capability.
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Now you've got the chance :)
 
Well just to put a dampener on things. Been using Firefox for awhile, upgraded to the PR version and the latest stuff and now have star-up problem. (It starts, and is functioning for instance my gmail plugin will be checking email but the whole display window area is just blank, menu and toolbar shows up but that is all.) This happens randomly, sometimes a terminate via task manager and a restart gets it up and running.

Really infuriating (Done the usual - clean install and the like but it still persists - weird.)

Back to using Opera about 80% of the time now.
 
Opera is fine, but sounds like an extension incompatibility. If you've done a fresh reinstall, it sounds like you need to start with a new profile. Go here http://kb.mozillazine.org/index.phtml?title=Firefox_:_Issues:_Firefox_Won't_Startup
Alternative, just close Firefox, delete your profile directory, for me (C:\Documents and Settings\Wiblin\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox) and then restart firefox and it should be fine. If you do this you'll lose your bookmarks though, but that file is in the profile directory and you can put it back if you want.
 
Okay, I'm now browsing (and posting) in Firefox 1.0. Let my own "beta test" begin. :)

I dowloaded it at CNET.com.

-TT
 
BLACK HAT said:
Firefox also has a little difficulty rendering some pages in PHP. This seems to be getting much better and I am sure they will have it solved soon. Overall, Firefox is excellent. My biggest complaint is one of aesthetics and it is that I am unable to push the address bar onto the same line as the menu. I prefer to have as much real estate as possible when viewing pages and I never display the standard buttons (forward, back, etc.) because I prefer to surf with the mouse or the keyboard instead.

I would probably use Firefox exclusively if it offered that capability.
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What mbp said, OR... hit F11 (toggles full-screen mode).


[edit: wrong poster name]
 
BLACK HAT said:
Firefox also has a little difficulty rendering some pages in PHP.
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Firefox doesn't render PHP. PHP is rendered on the server side. Firefox only renders the code that it generates. As long as the code follows the standards, it'll be fine. This actually means that that particular PHP site is outputting nonstandard code.

My site is running php throughout. Looks great in Firefox. Of course, I coded it to standard HTML and CSS...
 
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