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Pauliesonne

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Aren't christian conservatives ( like in America, for instance ) supposed to be pacifists around the books they believe in?

Or am I wrong about this?
 
No American conservative would ever want to be classified as a pacifist. Pure poison.
 
Aren't christian conservatives ( like in America, for instance ) supposed to be pacifists around the books they believe in.

According to folks like yourselves, yes.

But most folks don't akin much to others defining them.
 
I think many Christian Conservatives go with the "Love Thy Enemy" thing on a one on one basis, but go with "Render Unto Caesar" on the national level. Now, don't ask me to explain how Render unto Caesar translates to supporting war, but I believe that's is one of the bible sayings that is used to support a Christian's support of war.

So, while they may turn the other cheek if confronted one on one, they are likely to support a strong military, and not be too upset when that military is put to use in a "Noble Mission" (whatever that is :-)

Of course, not all Christians feel this way! I believe there have always been groups from most Christian churches in the US to come out against most (all?) of the wars that we have been involved in. Of course some devout Christians remain fairly silent on matters of politics, including wars.

This does bring to mind a bumper sticker I saw (and mentioned in the Bumper sticker thread in the religion forum) -Here

"I'm pretty sure when Jesus said love your enemy, he meant don't kill them"
 
....Now, don't ask me to explain how Render unto Caesar translates to supporting war, but I believe that's is one of the bible sayings that is used to support a Christian's support of war.....

I don't know about that, but perhaps the RCC Catechism's doctrine on war might help outline how the RCC sees war:

2307
The fifth commandment forbids the intentional destruction of human life. Because of the evils and injustices that accompany all war, the Church insistently urges everyone to prayer and to action so that the divine Goodness may free us from the ancient bondage of war.105


2308
All citizens and all governments are obliged to work for the avoidance of war.

However, "as long as the danger of war persists and there is no international authority with the necessary competence and power, governments cannot be denied the right of lawful self-defense, once all peace efforts have failed."106


2309
The strict conditions for legitimate defense by military force require rigorous consideration. The gravity of such a decision makes it subject to rigorous conditions of moral legitimacy. At one and the same time:


the damage inflicted by the aggressor on the nation or community of nations must be lasting, grave, and certain;


all other means of putting an end to it must have been shown to be impractical or ineffective;


there must be serious prospects of success;


the use of arms must not produce evils and disorders graver than the evil to be eliminated. The power of modern means of destruction weighs very heavily in evaluating this condition.

These are the traditional elements enumerated in what is called the "just war" doctrine.

The evaluation of these conditions for moral legitimacy belongs to the prudential judgment of those who have responsibility for the common good.


2310
Public authorities, in this case, have the right and duty to impose on citizens the obligations necessary for national defense.

Those who are sworn to serve their country in the armed forces are servants of the security and freedom of nations. If they carry out their duty honorably, they truly contribute to the common good of the nation and the maintenance of peace.107


2311
Public authorities should make equitable provision for those who for reasons of conscience refuse to bear arms; these are nonetheless obliged to serve the human community in some other way.108


2312
The Church and human reason both assert the permanent validity of the moral law during armed conflict. "The mere fact that war has regrettably broken out does not mean that everything becomes licit between the warring parties."109


2313
Non-combatants, wounded soldiers, and prisoners must be respected and treated humanely.

Actions deliberately contrary to the law of nations and to its universal principles are crimes, as are the orders that command such actions. Blind obedience does not suffice to excuse those who carry them out. Thus the extermination of a people, nation, or ethnic minority must be condemned as a mortal sin. One is morally bound to resist orders that command genocide.


2314
"Every act of war directed to the indiscriminate destruction of whole cities or vast areas with their inhabitants is a crime against God and man, which merits firm and unequivocal condemnation."110 A danger of modern warfare is that it provides the opportunity to those who possess modern scientific weapons—especially atomic, biological, or chemical weapons—to commit such crimes.
 
"Turn the other cheek" and "render unto Caesar" are compatible sentiments, but only in a specialized sense familiar to those who understand the individual peculiarities of various Caesars.

eta: this interpretation is not welcomed by most devout Christians. They have an insect in a difficult location about it.
 

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