Explain Bedini's free energy machine to me

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Last night I was at a family function of my wife's. A friend of their family was talking to me, and he's actually a nice guy that I've met a few other times. We talked about the usual stuff, eventually getting to high gas prices. He then started explaining to me how there are already people who know how to create energy and they're being suppressed.

He mentioned he picked up a DVD online that explained Bedini's free energy machine. He said "obviously I can't say 100% that they're right, but all the people talking on the DVD said they've seen it first hand, and no scientists have been able to explain where the energy is coming from.

This was the first time I had heard about this particular machine, but I suspected it may be getting hyped mostly by a conspiracy crowd, since the later part of the conversation turned into oil companies having people assassinated for threatening their business with free energy devices.

So that's the long and the short of it. If someone who's good with this stuff wants to give me a reader's digest version of how it's said to work and what's known about it, that'd be great. I suspected it sounded fishy, but without having any background I didn't have much to say.
 
That's wierd, because I was visiting my nephew a couple weeks ago and, during our conversation, he started in on this very topic. He indicated that he is trying his hand at building the "over-unity" machine and started talking to me about how Ohm's law is not a real law (apparently there are things that don't behave in accordance with Ohm's equation [wikipedia indicates this is true, but it is a well known and understood phenomenon]). I immediately referred him to this site to ask his questions (as I'm not an electrical engineer - just a geologist) as there are generally lots of knowledgable people here.

He said that he's listened to both sides of the over-unity issue, and wants to test it for him-self. I told him that he should be prepared to accept that his machine will not work.
 
This is the guy who made the CD clarifier, which bathes CDs in a beam that cleanses them, improving the audio quality?

Who would even believe this quack? How dumb do you have to be?
 
GreyICE said:
This is the guy who made the CD clarifier, which bathes CDs in a beam that cleanses them, improving the audio quality?

Who would even believe this quack? How dumb do you have to be?
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There are lots of people "dumb" enough to believe it. No, I don't get it either.
 
Direct Quote from his (Bedini) website...

This system, if properly built and tuned, will furnish "free shaft energy" continually, without violating conservation of anenergy. Remember that the del-phi condition across the battery terminals means that spacetime is suddenly curved there, and conservation of energy need no longer apply.
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Juustin said:
Last night I was at a family function of my wife's. A friend of their family was talking to me, and he's actually a nice guy that I've met a few other times. We talked about the usual stuff, eventually getting to high gas prices. He then started explaining to me how there are already people who know how to create energy and they're being suppressed.

He mentioned he picked up a DVD online that explained Bedini's free energy machine. He said "obviously I can't say 100% that they're right, but all the people talking on the DVD said they've seen it first hand, and no scientists have been able to explain where the energy is coming from.

This was the first time I had heard about this particular machine, but I suspected it may be getting hyped mostly by a conspiracy crowd, since the later part of the conversation turned into oil companies having people assassinated for threatening their business with free energy devices.

So that's the long and the short of it. If someone who's good with this stuff wants to give me a reader's digest version of how it's said to work and what's known about it, that'd be great. I suspected it sounded fishy, but without having any background I didn't have much to say.
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From Bedini's site:

"It is running off the principles of electromagnetics that Nikola Tesla discovered shortly before 1900 in his Colorado Springs experiments. It is running off the fact that empty vacuum - pure "emptiness", so to speak - is filled with rivers and oceans of seething energy, just as Nikola Tesla pointed out.

It is running off the fact that vacuum space-time itself is nothing but pure massless charge. That is, vcuum has a very high electrostatic scalar potential - it is greatly stressed. To usefully tap the enormous locked-in energy of that stress, all one has to do is crack it sharply and tap the vacuum oscillations that result. The best way to do that is to hit something resonant that is imbedded in the vacuum, then tap the resonant stress of the ringing of the vacuum itself"

Signs of woo are here.

Naming of a prominent dead scientific authority.

Using terms in ways that make no sense. vacuum oscillations, ringing in the vacum, ect, ect, ect.

It looks to me like he has invented the electric starter bet the car companies will pay bigtime for that.
 
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It may also be worth noting that his website looks much like one I "designed" when I was 16 on geocities. It seems like all of the kooky CT nuts use the most simple web design interface possible...

I CAN VIOLATE THE CONSERVATION OF ENERGY BUT I CANT FIGURE OUT HOW TO WORK THESE INTERWEBS!
 
tsig said:
From Bedini's site:

"It is running off the principles of electromagnetics that Nikola Tesla discovered shortly before 1900 in his Colorado Springs experiments. It is running off the fact that empty vacuum - pure "emptiness", so to speak - is filled with rivers and oceans of seething energy, just as Nikola Tesla pointed out.

It is running off the fact that vacuum space-time itself is nothing but pure massless charge. That is, vcuum has a very high electrostatic scalar potential - it is greatly stressed. To usefully tap the enormous locked-in energy of that stress, all one has to do is crack it sharply and tap the vacuum oscillations that result. The best way to do that is to hit something resonant that is imbedded in the vacuum, then tap the resonant stress of the ringing of the vacuum itself"

Signs of woo are here.

Naming of a prominent dead scientific authority.

Using terms in ways that make no sense. vacuum oscillations, ringing in the vacum, ect, ect, ect.

It looks to me like he has invented the electric starter bet the car companies will pay bigtime for that.
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Tesla... /sigh

Another hallmark of the free energy nutter is a deification of Tesla.

I have seen this upwards of ten times on websites such as this.
 
Gate2501 said:
It may also be worth noting that his website looks much like one I "designed" when I was 16 on geocities. It seems like all of the kooky CT nuts use the most simple web design interface possible...

I CAN VIOLATE THE CONSERVATION OF ENERGY BUT I CANT FIGURE OUT HOW TO WORK THESE INTERWEBS!
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There seems to be a negative correlation between the craziness of the woo and quality of the websites.

Or the more earth shaking the idea, the more eye searing the website.

At least he could have hid the battery. I wonder why does a free-energy device need a battery? A brake I could understand.
 
Gate2501 said:
Tesla... /sigh

Another hallmark of the free energy nutter is a deification of Tesla.

I have seen this upwards of ten times on websites such as this.
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They wave his name like a magic wand.

This whole thing is just another version of "let's take an electric motor to run the generator then feed the generator output to the motor"
 
JoeEllison said:
I suspect that he understands what he's talking about even less than we do.
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But he used big sciency words and invoked Tesla. Psuedoskeptic!!! Science ahs been wrong and they lauged at Galeleo. Help we are being oppressed be the establishment of athiest scientists.!!!

(should have used caps and colors)
 
canadarocks said:
He indicated that he is trying his hand at building the "over-unity" machine and started talking to me about how Ohm's law is not a real law
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In one sense, it's really more of a definition of what resistance means than an actual law.

(apparently there are things that don't behave in accordance with Ohm's equation
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When you think about Ohm's law as a definition of resistance, then what you find is that for some things, resistance isn't constant as a function of applied voltage, but you can still use that equation to define a resistance for anything, even if that value is only valid under specific conditions. Diodes and transistors are rather important examples of where the resistance defined by Ohm's law is not constant (current can vary exponentially with applied voltage).

He said that he's listened to both sides of the over-unity issue, and wants to test it for him-self. I told him that he should be prepared to accept that his machine will not work.
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Not only that, but he needs to be prepared to be mistaken. With electronic equipment, it's not hard to screw up your measurements so that you think you've gotten over-unity when you haven't. For example, it's easy to make an oscillator circuit which can output more voltage than you input, but it won't output more power.

My guess, if he's talking about Ohm's law violations, is that he may have stumbled on the idea of a diode current ratchet: get a big array of diodes set up to only allow current to flow one way through the circuit, then let thermal noise drive the current around the circuit. Looks on paper like it might work, if you treat diodes as perfect one-way valves, but in practice it doesn't (plenty of people have tried) because the're not perfect valves. It's essentially a solid-state attempt at Maxwell's Demon, but it doesn't work.
 
Juustin said:
So that's the long and the short of it. If someone who's good with this stuff wants to give me a reader's digest version of how it's said to work and what's known about it, that'd be great. I suspected it sounded fishy, but without having any background I didn't have much to say.
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It is the same old story for most of these “free energy” devices. The readers digest version is a misapplication of Zero-point energy or Vacuum energy, these charlatans explain the over unity (more energy out then in) they erroneously calculate as resulting from the tapping into this energy. But that application is in direct conflict with principle they are trying to invoke.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_energy


Because zero point energy is the lowest possible energy a system can have, this energy cannot be removed from the system. A related term is zero-point field, which is the lowest energy state of a field, i.e. its ground state, which is non-zero.[1]
Despite the definition, the concept of zero-point energy, and the hint of a possibility of extracting "free energy" from the vacuum, has attracted the attention of amateur inventors. Numerous so-called free energy devices, exploiting the idea, have been proposed.[citation needed] As a result of this activity, and its intriguing theoretical explanation, it has taken on a life of its own in popular culture, appearing in science fiction books, games, movies and TV series (such as Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis).[2][3]
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So if one was to able to extract energy from a zero point field (lower the energy of that field below it’s lowest possible value) it would just force the field into a negative energy state and it would have to take the energy back. Due to the uncertainty principle a zero point field can fluctuate below its zero point value but only for a brief instant or by a small energy fluctuation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle

The gist being that any energy that can be “barrowed” from a zero point field must be paid back. The more energy “barrowed” the quicker it must be paid back. So tremendous amounts of energy can be “barrowed” but just for an insignificant period of time and only insignificant amounts of energy can be “barrowed” for any significant period of time.


The apparatus detailed on the web page shows a simple battery-motor-flywheel-generator configuration. Just like the battery stores electrical energy the flywheel stores mechanical energy. A lot of energy is taken up spinning the flywheel up to speed some of which (but not all) can be recovered as the flywheel spins down. If the start up energy used to spin up the flywheel is not correctly accounted for it could seem like you are getting extra energy as the flywheel spins down.

Most of the over unity calculations of such devices are due to appallingly or intentionally bad math. Not accounting for all sources of energy input (spinning up the flywheel) or counting energy losses of the system (heat and back EMF) as additional intended energy outputs (negatives becoming positives)
 
tsig said:
But he used big sciency words and invoked Tesla. Psuedoskeptic!!! Science ahs been wrong and they lauged at Galeleo. Help we are being oppressed be the establishment of athiest scientists.!!!

(should have used caps and colors)
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Yes, well... I got your point, so I appreciate you skipping the caps and colors! :D
 
The sad part is that I really love Tesla. He was a genius, a very interesting man, who discovered some very neat effects that were way ahead of his time. The induction motor, AC power, fluorescent bulbs, the spark plug, so many interesting things. When his circuits in Colorado were reproduced from his notes, they had features that weren't rediscovered until much, much later.

Unfortunately the latter half of his life was characterized by wild claims, OCD disorders, and general signs of insanity. This makes him a magnet to woo, because you can find the wildest claims in the latter half of his life, and use the genius of the former half to support them.
 
tsig said:
"It is running off the principles of electromagnetics that Nikola Tesla discovered shortly before 1900 in his Colorado Springs experiments.
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Hey that's wild. I just watched a DVD the other day where Tesla's Colorado Springs experiments produced a machine that not only would teleport matter, it would replicate it... even living beings!
 
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