Exercise Vigilant Guardian: September 9, 2001 Terrorist Scenario

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Miles Kara has posted some audio and other details for the Vigilant Guardian Exercise on his 9/11 blog.

A simulated call came in from Boston Center, purportedly from Colin Scoggins. Boston reported that they had learned from the FBI that Heathrow [London] reported that the Palan Resistance Movement had two members aboard United flight 558 who intended to detonate a bomb over New York City. The caller was careful to say that this was a terrorist event, not a hijack. The plane was approaching Boston air space from New Brunswick.
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This exercise highlights just how much time it took to develop a response. That exercise ended with an exploded plane on the runway.

I guess a link to the article would help.

http://www.oredigger61.org/?p=3278
 
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With far more information, far more time and only one plane they failed to take any effective action. Given the chaos on 911 is it any surprise they failed then too?

What happened on 911 was simply so far outside the training and planning that it easily overwhelmed the system.
 
BCR said:
Miles Kara has posted some audio and other details for the Vigilant Guardian Exercise on his 9/11 blog.



This exercise highlights just how much time it took to develop a response. That exercise ended with an exploded plane on the runway.

I guess a link to the article would help.

http://www.oredigger61.org/?p=3278
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It is becoming more and more apparent that many CTers use history or similar occurances as a 'marker' or 'indicator' of some dastardly deed.

As an ex servicman with the British Army I am more than aware of military excercises such as the American Ex Vigilant Guardian. Although such excercises are routine and run annually, they take years of planning and are supposed to reflect the most current known threats or simply to test new equipment in differing terrains.

The 'war games' or 'excercise senarios' are usually the brain child of someone sat at a desk who wants to test his/her manpower and effectiveness. Keep us on our toes.

Many of these excercises create panic amongst civilians who are not aware of them happening and not aware of them being 'just an excercise'. Ex Lionhearts in Germany was a prime example. Many Germans believed that a 3rd world war had started. It was said at the time that some committed suicide, such was the 'realistic' way in which the exercise was conducted. It too had a 'war game senario' but directed towards the Russians. A realistic exercise that didnt result in us attacking anyone. Just a routine military excercise.

Ex Swift Sword 2 in Oman in Sep 2001 is another example of a realistic 'war game' that mirrored the times. A mass mobilisation of British forces that had been in the planning for years. Some woo mongers have raised an eyebrow at the 'war game senario' but to military personel and career military it is routine. Many excercises have comparisons to real life. We attack Rorke's Drift every year in Canada. Does that mean we intend an attack on the Zulu's?

The Vigilant Guardian woo is yet another example of the uninformed speculating on something that they know absolutely nothing about.

Get some in twoofers.
 
BCR said:
Miles Kara has posted some audio and other details for the Vigilant Guardian Exercise on his 9/11 blog.



This exercise highlights just how much time it took to develop a response. That exercise ended with an exploded plane on the runway.

I guess a link to the article would help.

http://www.oredigger61.org/?p=3278
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This is particularly interesting considering the reference to Colin. He posts here (Cheap shot) and has made several posts concerning the "exorcises" (IIRC).

On a side: Does anyone have a link to the "panel" video he was on with Lynn Spencer?
 
DGM said:
This is particularly interesting considering the reference to Colin. He posts here (Cheap shot) and has made several posts concerning the "exorcises" (IIRC).

On a side: Does anyone have a link to the "panel" video he was on with Lynn Spencer?
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Here's an old thread on the subject, but the link to the panel discussion is broken. A quick Google search didn't turn anything up either.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=185391
 
Jackanory said:
It is becoming more and more apparent that many CTers use history or similar occurances as a 'marker' or 'indicator' of some dastardly deed.

As an ex servicman with the British Army I am more than aware of military excercises such as the American Ex Vigilant Guardian. Although such excercises are routine and run annually, they take years of planning and are supposed to reflect the most current known threats or simply to test new equipment in differing terrains.

The 'war games' or 'excercise senarios' are usually the brain child of someone sat at a desk who wants to test his/her manpower and effectiveness. Keep us on our toes.

Many of these excercises create panic amongst civilians who are not aware of them happening and not aware of them being 'just an excercise'. Ex Lionhearts in Germany was a prime example. Many Germans believed that a 3rd world war had started. It was said at the time that some committed suicide, such was the 'realistic' way in which the exercise was conducted. It too had a 'war game senario' but directed towards the Russians. A realistic exercise that didnt result in us attacking anyone. Just a routine military excercise.

Ex Swift Sword 2 in Oman in Sep 2001 is another example of a realistic 'war game' that mirrored the times. A mass mobilisation of British forces that had been in the planning for years. Some woo mongers have raised an eyebrow at the 'war game senario' but to military personel and career military it is routine. Many excercises have comparisons to real life. We attack Rorke's Drift every year in Canada. Does that mean we intend an attack on the Zulu's?

The Vigilant Guardian woo is yet another example of the uninformed speculating on something that they know absolutely nothing about.

Get some in twoofers.
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I remember a 5 day security exercise at SUBASE NLON in 1988. Seal Team 6 played the terrorists. Pure havoc at the bases main gate as people were locked out as various scenarios were played out (hostages at one of the barracks, an attempted boarding of a boat tied up at one of the piers and so on).

One of the scenarios was at the Nautilus (or to be more precise, the museum that the Nautilus was moored next to) where a big swarthy SEAL dressed as a nun was supposed to take a hostage (the crew played tourists as we weren't supposed to get involved other than to call for help, the drills were for the base, not us). They did it on the one day of the week that the place was closed down for maintenance so as to not involve the general public. Base security was well aware that we were closed and ignored us when we called for them thinking that it was a ruse to draw them away from somewhere else. I'm pretty sure someone got in trouble for making that call...
 
Bump for jammonius. He wants to talk about military exercises.
 
BCR said:
Bump for jammonius. He wants to talk about military exercises.
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That's the trouble with people who have never been in the military.
They don't realise that it's all one very long series of training scenarios and only stops on discharge..
Maybe jammonius should join up to enjoy the 'military exercises' he wants to talk about
 
BCR,

I need time to go over the cspan panel discussion video. Meanwhile, the following disclosure is rather important:

"A simulated call came in from Boston Center,..."

The acknowledgment of voice simulation could loom very large in unraveling the mystery of what happened on 9/11 and on whether and to what extent what happened was done by and through the exercises, Vigilant Guardian, and others.

Blessings
 
jammonius said:
BCR,

I need time to go over the cspan panel discussion video. Meanwhile, the following disclosure is rather important:

"A simulated call came in from Boston Center,..."

The acknowledgment of voice simulation could loom very large in unraveling the mystery of what happened on 9/11 and on whether and to what extent what happened was done by and through the exercises, Vigilant Guardian, and others.

Blessings
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What part of “simulated” do you not understand.
 
jammonius said:
BCR,

"A simulated call came in from Boston Center,..."

The acknowledgment of voice simulation could loom very large in unraveling the mystery of what happened on 9/11 and on whether and to what extent what happened was done by and through the exercises, Vigilant Guardian, and others.
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Assuming English is your primary language, you do realize a simulated emergency call means the "emergency" was simulated, e.g. not real? When you are going through a training exercise you "simulate" the training situation. Otherwise you'd just be doing your normal day-to-day job.
 
George152 said:
That's the trouble with people who have never been in the military.
They don't realise that it's all one very long series of training scenarios and only stops on discharge..
Maybe jammonius should join up to enjoy the 'military exercises' he wants to talk about
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Jammy is going to eventually claim that the attack was the work of the Red forces, who were opposed by the Blue forces, which had to make sure they didn't attack the Green forces due to the ROE.

:D
 
LSSBB said:
Jammy is going to eventually claim that the attack was the work of the Red forces, who were opposed by the Blue forces, which had to make sure they didn't attack the Green forces due to the ROE.

:D
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Those eeeeeeeeevil Red Forces... :boxedin:
 
jammonius said:
BCR,

I need time to go over the cspan panel discussion video. Meanwhile, the following disclosure is rather important:

"A simulated call came in from Boston Center,..."

The acknowledgment of voice simulation could loom very large in unraveling the mystery of what happened on 9/11 and on whether and to what extent what happened was done by and through the exercises, Vigilant Guardian, and others.

Blessings
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Okay, I'll bite. How do you get from "simulated call" to "voice simulation"?
 
jammonius said:
BCR,

I need time to go over the cspan panel discussion video. Meanwhile, the following disclosure is rather important:

"A simulated call came in from Boston Center,..."

The acknowledgment of voice simulation could loom very large in unraveling the mystery of what happened on 9/11 and on whether and to what extent what happened was done by and through the exercises, Vigilant Guardian, and others.

Blessings
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This Jammonius dude needs to be the Poster Boy for 9/11 Truth. I honestly have rarely seen such ignorance across such a broad spectrum of issues. He and Cap't Bob could be the Abbot and Costello of Trutherism.

I've probably done a hundred or more military exercises in my career. I don't know how many times, in the course of the exercise execution, you reach a line-item in the exercise plan that states "Simulated call received from (so and so) stating (such and such)." You then act on that information - the call *never happened*. It was *simulated*. It was *pretend*. It was "constructive*.

It would be too much to expect, I suppose, for Jammonius or any of the other Truthers here to educate themselves at least to an infinitesimal degree on *something* related to the subject they wish to blather on about.

It is funny, though. I just wonder why such stupidity is tolerated. I can understand at ATS or PfT or any of the other Tree Forts/cardboard-box clubs, but I'd hope that the standards are held a tad higher here. Perhaps Jammonius is kept around for the entertainment value.
 
A semantic argument over a turn of phrase is used as possibly evidence for some form of foul play? For example if I were to find myself in a position where I was arguing that humans are being abducted by extraterrestrials because of punctuation in some phrase, I would take a pause and think real hard at what I was doing.
 
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