Evidence against CD - placed there on purpose?

[jaydeehess]

In addition to coordinating the preparations for and the response to the attack, the command team staffs the command centers on the day of the attack to coordinate last-minute adjustments in the operation, and implement fall-back plans in the event of failures. The two command centers are located Office of Emergency Management bunker on the 23rd floor of Building 7, and in the basement of the White House.


Destroying your own command center seems like a strange plan.

Dodged a bullet when Jennings and Hess managed to not notice anything suspicious after everyone else left. Hey, maybe they were in-on-it and later pissed that they were left in the building, which is why they blew the whistle.

 

[sts60]

The fantasy conspirators placed the no blast damage to steel from explosives, and the no damage to steel from thermite - these conspirators placed the zero evidence. A clean up crew?

They placed physics, and structural engineering. They placed zero sounds of explosives. Sound engineers. ...

No, no, no. They used the cover of the cloud of steel dust from the completely vaporized buildings to dart in and place a couple of hundred thousand tons of steel debris.

 

[Giordano]

What if the lack of evidence against a CD was really to hide an actual CD? A triple negative. How clever!

 

[Brainster]

Attack Scenario 404 is worth a read, if only to see how bizarre truther claims get when actually articulated in any detail. (I particularly like the bit where the missile battery pops up from the Pentagon lawn to blow the tail off AA77 milliseconds before impact, just to give contradictory evidence that will discredit truthers. It's like Thunderbirds with delusional schizophrenia.)

Dave

Jim Hoffman, who operates that site, is frequently mentioned by Truthers as one of the more sensible and responsible researchers in the movement. Scenario 404 certainly shows those are very relative terms.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Jim Hoffman, who operates that site, is frequently mentioned by Truthers as one of the more sensible and responsible researchers in the movement. Scenario 404 certainly shows those are very relative terms.

I was never quite sure whether Hoffman wrote that himself. If he did, and taking his numbers from his calculation from the expansion of the dust cloud for the amount of explosives in the towers, I once calculated that his team of technicians planting explosives over the course of a month must have done so at the rate of one thirty-pound charge every ten seconds, with no allowance for sleep, meals or coffee breaks. While it's relatively praiseworthy that at least one conspiracy theorist has made some attempt at articulating a genuine alternative hypothesis, rather than the mindless denialism that Jay Utah is currently highlighting in another thread, the actual results of the process are beyond bizarre.

Dave

 

[Playing Games]

Which "Controlled Demolition hypothesis"? I haven't actually ever seen any that offers sufficient detail to even allow for falsification. They never really say how any building was CD'ed - no naming of devices, no suggestion for location and size of charges, no claims about timing, no szenario for how, when and by whom they were installed, nothing.

Perhaps you can link to a truther website that offers an actual "Controlled Demolition hypothesis" that goes beyond the naked claim "it was CD!"?

You're right I've seen nothing about what was used to bring those buildings down by CD. Some truthers claim witnesses saw trucks, supposedly carrying loads of devices, going back and forth at night prior to 911.

 

[njslim]

I've talked to several members of local sheriff department (Passaic County NJ)
bomb squad who spent several weeks doing search and recovery at WTC .

They are retired now - none of them recall seeing anything associated with
an explosive demolition .........

 

[njslim]

team of technicians planting explosives over the course of a month must have done so at the rate of one thirty-pound charge every ten seconds, with no allowance for sleep, meals or coffee breaks.

Dave

What about bathroom breaks.....??

Must have been hell trying to hold it that long........

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

What about bathroom breaks.....??

Must have been hell trying to hold it that long........

Just adds to the explosive effect.

 

[Dave Rogers]

What about bathroom breaks.....??

Must have been hell trying to hold it that long........

Yeah, the whole thing is full of...

Nah, too easy.

Dave

 

[1stClassAlan]

Let me first address the prime tenet of the O.P. - "what if all the evidence against C.D. were placed" ?

Er... a difficult scenario - as this requires evidence to be removed rather than the reverse. There is always debris from explosive demolition (and I do not refer to iron rich spheres!) plastic closures from container crimps, pieces of det cord, signal and relay devices - right up to complete charges that failed to detonate. On top of that the explosives physically destroy parts of the building in very specific and leaving immediately indentifable signatures - characteristically "cut" steelwork with edges bearing clear copper smudges. All of this would have to be removed without anyone not "in" on the deception noticing.

The big problem I have with the Truthers is their continuing adherence to explosive demolition revealing itself by bringing buildings down faster than gravity - complete nonsense! Cutting charges knock out sections of the supporting structure and in some demolitions, it takes quite a few seconds for the weakening to take effect and when it does - it accelerates to a maximum of freefall and no more.
Then there's the practical problem of arranging a "controlled" demolition to match the manner of the collapses - what kind of explosives expert would lay charges to blow the exterior walls outwards in succession but leave the main core columns in one piece?
Truthers are fond of saying that core columns could have been accessed via the elevator shafts during blackouts and downtimes but the core columns clearly on display in photo and video show no signs of intermediate cutting - they failed at their points of construction. Truthers fail to make any mention of the floors and their trusses initially detaching from the exterior - 240 charges per floor needed for that job - all in secret despite some being under folk's desks!
As for their claim that such a demolition could be done in a hurry - well yes it could - sort of - the most expedient type of proper CD is with charges places extremely carefully and covered for safety - some of that needn't be done for a supposed outrage! However, as the building can't be laterally preweakened for fear of discovery - the explosives would need to be much larger and these would have given the game away by bursting ALL the windows rather than a few.