England really is a police state

England isn't a state of any kind.

The artilce you link to claims to come form the spectator. Do you know who is the editor of the spectator? It's man named Boris Johnson. He is a Conservative MP. The conservative are currently in oposition in the UK. The spectator is not know for it's reliability as a source.

So what you have is a claimed (your link is not to the spectator) one source story published in a less than relible (although they do do good cartoons) magerzine edited by a member (untill a few weeks a go a high ranking member) of the leading oposition part in the UK.

You might want to find a board with slightly fewer sceptics on in future.
 
Richard G said:
The U.K. Nuff said.
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Richard, if that happened to you in Ohio, would you have shot the policeman? After all, guns are there to protect you from the gubmin...
 
hi Dickie...nice story, are you interested in following it up and finding out what the results of the case are? I figure you are probably more than happy to simply accept this guys story as fact...I'm a little curious about one thing...don't you support this sort of random checks for baddies...or is that only when the person being checked is an arab or a muslim or preferably both?
 
don't you support this sort of random checks for baddies
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Absolutely not. Its a violation of my 4th Amendment rights.

Even so, I wouldn't be booked and jailed for having a folding knife in my car. Thats retarded. How do you people get a new box of steak knives home from the store without fear of arrest?
 
Richard G said:
Absolutely not. Its a violation of my 4th Amendment rights.
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But if it was an Arab(-looking) guy, it would be a violation of his 4th Amendment rights?
 
Incidentally, Dickie, I do love how you somehow manage to confuse UK law and US law so easily. This incident happened in the UK and you call foul. But your stated reason is that it would be a violation of certain of your US rights.

Sheesh.

Can I ask you: Do US citizens in the UK have US rights?
 
Can I ask you for your papers please? People in the U.K. don't have any rights. They are subjects.

As human beings, they are entitled to all the rights and freedoms I enjoy. Their goverment knows better though, and they don't seem to mind. To every man himself.
 
Richard G said:
Can I ask you for your papers please? [/b]
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No you can't

Your in the U.K.. As a subject of the goverment, you don't have any rights.
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However as a member of the EU there is this little thing called the EU human rights act

As a human being, you are entitled to all the rights and freedoms I enjoy. Your goverment knows better though, and you don't seem to mind. To every man himself. [/B]
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Really? For some reason the US doesn't seem to be preparded to let me in without being to do a background cheack. I assume you don't have to meet this requirement.
 
Richard G said:
Can I ask you for your papers please? People in the U.K. don't have any rights. They are subjects.

As human beings, they are entitled to all the rights and freedoms I enjoy. Their goverment knows better though, and they don't seem to mind. To every man himself.
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Since you obviously don't live in the real world, Rich, let us know which world you think you live in and we'll all send you a Christmas card.

Jim Bowen
 
I was born here. I served my country faithfully, and would still fight and die to preserve the Constitution and my country. Seeing how most enemies of the USA, and our Constitutional principals are foreigners, I'd be damned mad if you weren't screened when coming here.

I read some of that convoluted piece of toilet paper you call the EU constitution. Every human right listed therin can be revoked on a whim for the greater good of the EU. In other words, you don't have any rights.
 
Since you obviously don't live in the real world, Rich, let us know which world you think you live in and we'll all send you a Christmas card.
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I'll let ya know after I clean my M-14 battle rifle, 9mm pistol, 12 gauge shotgun, and marine corp k-bar. Gun oil smells good. You wouldn't know anything about that though would ya?
 
I almost always carry a pocket knife of one kind or another and own a variety of them. Normally I don't think anything of it unless I need to fly somewhere, in which case I usually end up putting them in my luggage at the last moment.

Is this unusual in the UK? Can people really get into this much trouble just for a pocket knife?
 
I was trying to work out what was so familiar..Then it occured to me...

Turgidson:

The duty officer asked General <strike>Ripper</strike> Richard G to confirm the fact the he had issued the go code and he said,
"Yes gentlemen, they are on their way in and no one can bring them back. For the sake of our country and our way of life, I suggest you get the rest of SAC in after them, otherwise we will be totally destroyed by red retaliation. My boys will give you the best kind of start, fourteen hundred megatons worth, and you sure as hell won't stop them now. So let's get going. There's no other choice. God willing, we will prevail in peace and freedom from fear and in true health through the purity and essence of our natural fluids. God bless you all."
Then he hung up. We're still trying to figure out the meaning of that last phrase, sir.
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Richard G, I hope your natural fluids are all OK. You must let us know.
 
Richard G said:
Absolutely not. Its a violation of my 4th Amendment rights.

Even so, I wouldn't be booked and jailed for having a folding knife in my car. Thats retarded. How do you people get a new box of steak knives home from the store without fear of arrest?
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I see you are assuming this rant by someone in dispute with the police is a reasonable summary of what went on...would you like me to write you the story again slanting it towards the other side of the argument...you have no idea what this guy was arrested for...or even if he was arrested.....the story fits your campagn so you accept it unquestioned...way to go Mr Skeptic.


Another thing I'm keen to ask you....you seem to think you are free? If your government points a finger at you and says the magic word "terrorist" you can be imprisoned in a concentration camp indefinitely without charge or trial.....feeling free dicky?
 
Yes, the US has way too many guns.

Yes, the US can say terrorist, and little will happen. The only people locked up since 9/11 have been people being watched for a long time in the US, and people arrested in Afghanistan and Iraq.

One thing about locking people up. I don't approve of locking anyone up indefinitely, without legal representation. But how many terrorist attacks has the US had from the policy?

Europe has had more bombs go off than Osama Bin Laden's professed enemies have. Interesting.

The difference is that one has a philosophy that stresses pragmatism/practicalism. The other doesn't.
 
jay gw said:
Yes, the US can say terrorist, and little will happen. The only people locked up since 9/11 have been people being watched for a long time in the US, and people arrested in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Wrong.
Mamdouh Habib, Australian. Kidnapped in Pakistan by the United states. Currently being held by the US army indefinitely without charge or trial. Did you not know about him?
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Mycroft said:
I almost always carry a pocket knife of one kind or another and own a variety of them. Normally I don't think anything of it unless I need to fly somewhere, in which case I usually end up putting them in my luggage at the last moment.

Is this unusual in the UK? Can people really get into this much trouble just for a pocket knife?
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Theoretically, you'd probably have some explaining to do, but realistically, you'd probably not have a problem. Unless you look like a nutcase, are in a sensetive area, the pocket knife is of the Crocodile Dundee variety or it was found whilst you were being questioned about something else. A friend of mine got arrested for pinching traffic cones whist drunk and he had a penknife in his pocket. This was resolved by him agreeing to surrender it and the police ignoring his drunken possession of it.



As regards America, Europe and the number of deaths from terror. One quick thought, most terrorists dont have to go to America to bump off Americans - they can save the airfare and do it in Iraq. Just a quick thought on the matter.

Jim Bowen
 
The law with regards to offensive weapons is plain stoopido. You can carry a penknife...maybe...sometimes....perhaps..... other wise you may be arrested and the knife confiscated. So you can buy a knife but maybe, perhaps you cant carry it from A to B.

Pretty much depends on wether or not the Officer likes the cut of your jib.

Nonetheless the story RichardG links to smacks of complete fantasy. I wouldnt believe a word of it.
 
Jon_in_london said:
The law with regards to offensive weapons is plain stoopido. You can carry a penknife...maybe...sometimes....perhaps..... other wise you may be arrested and the knife confiscated. So you can buy a knife but maybe, perhaps you cant carry it from A to B.
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So pocket knives really are illegal, sort of?

How does one cut an apple while away from home?
 
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