Drugs herbal or synthetic

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Ok I have a question

My friends son is getting diagonosed or rather tossed about in the diagnoss department. They have him somewhere between mildly autistic and ADD. At this point they are treating him more on the ADD side.

Anyway she tried some meds on him and he has a upset stomach, constipation and is more emotional. I (having been through this with my son) said that she should get him to the doc to change or adjust the meds.

Shes giving the classic I dont want to continue drugging my child. So shes going to a Master Herbologist who deals with Iridology. she says the son has a sensitive stomach so the natural route would be better.

I said that even if its natural its still drugs and they need to be monitored. My son went to his doc every 3 mths for a physical. What does a master herbologist know about monitoring anything?

So was I correct that she should not think just because its natural then its safe.

And my feeling on these natural remedys is they are not strong enough to help, is this correct?

And whats Iridology?

I just want to make sure Im not suggesting the wrong ideas.
 
Kitty Chan said:
And whats Iridology?
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Gaze into my eyes and I'll tell you everything that's wrong with you. Lets see... your illness it that you have an apostrophe deficiency.
 
Who made the initial diagnosis?

This child should be seen by a qualified Child Psychiatrist, if he hasn't already. "Mild autism", also known as Asperger's syndrome, is treated differently than ADHD and has a much different prognosis. This needs to be nailed down before any treatment is offered.

In the meantime, they should stay away from the hebalist. This is only going to confuse things.

-TT
 
She said the OT suggested the Psychiatrist to look at the overview of the child. (Which I said she needed to have done as meds are only to "slow" him down enough in order for him to learn to do things himself).

I am confused that the psychiatrist can prescribe medication unless she means they can recommend it. She said she would keep the number of my sons doc whom is a specialist in the dieses of children and very good. But still wants to see the herbal master.

She has had Ot's and speech therapists etc around this kid for a while. But I think part of the problem is he does not fit into a particular peg (or label) so they dont know quite or wont say were to put him. They have said that because she taught him english and german at first it delayed his speech.

He seems more ADD to me as I know how my son acted. And from what I remember about Autism from Psyc class he doesnt seem that way. But Im not the expert but I will say it would be nice to nail it down. I think funding is one of the problems, because depending on what area hes in he gets aids.

My sons doc said the whole problem best. ADD is a rainbow and kids will fall somewhere in the spectrum. Kind of like the experiment on foods. They did a study testing the effect of foods on children. The result was

Some foods affect some people some of the time.

The whole area is so hard to peg. This is why she is going to I agree make it worse by seeing the master ;)
 
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Iconoclast said:
Gaze into my eyes and I'll tell you everything that's wrong with you. Lets see... your illness it that you have an apostrophe deficiency.
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Hey! after I finished gazing I found $50 missing in my wallet :D
 
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geni said:
Probably not

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iridology
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Thats great it says it wants to look into the eyes to see what part of the body is overactive.

I guarentee you do not need to look into the boys eyes to see whats overactive. Actually if you could catch him the little bundle of energy :)

I look at him and there is a 100 different ideas going on in his head.

Several Christmas's ago we are over visiting, as we are leaving we are standing by the door yapping. The boy after 20min or so of going from us to the tv to toys to dog to window finally starts moving the kitchen chairs on wheels into the living room. (btw the couch is full of decorations). My friend is embarssed and says hes getting wound up. We said no hes smart hes getting us chairs to sit on if we are going to be there so long.

I thought that was pretty sharp. Also he was not speaking too much at the time. But mom and dad were also trained to get what he wanted. Speech therapiist helped the most.
 
A faded or blurred outline around the iris indicates high cholesterol levels.
 
So ok what would this guy find in the boy in regards to ADD, or just find a sensitive stomach?? or physical problems..

The problem I haave with it is ADD has to do with chemical in our brain

Also, herbs even though natural are still a drug and how much before its too much?
 
Kitty Chan said:
She said the OT suggested the Psychiatrist to look at the overview of the child. (Which I said she needed to have done as meds are only to "slow" him down enough in order for him to learn to do things himself).

I am confused that the psychiatrist can prescribe medication unless she means they can recommend it. She said she would keep the number of my sons doc whom is a specialist in the dieses of children and very good. But still wants to see the herbal master.
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A psychiatrist is a medical doctor and can prescribe medication (not to be confused with a psychologist, who may have a PhD but not an MD). Another specialist that may be appropriate is a developmental pediatrician. My son saw a child neurologist, primarily because of a history of seizures (he was given several EEG's and a metabolic screen --- in the end he was only prescribed speech therpay... this particular prescription was useful in that health insurance paid for some of it).

Herbs are not necesarily effective nor safe. Many herb mixtures have the actual active ingredients used in real meds... but not necesarily in consistent doses. Plus some "Herb masters" have been known to slip in ground up pills of the real meds. Stick to the providers at Health Canada.
 
jambo372 said:
A faded or blurred outline around the iris indicates high cholesterol levels.
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That's called corneal arcus or arcus senilis, and you don't have to be an iridologist to figure that out.

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Hydrogen Cyanide said:
A psychiatrist is a medical doctor and can prescribe medication (not to be confused with a psychologist, who may have a PhD but not an MD). Another specialist that may be appropriate is a developmental pediatrician. My son saw a child neurologist, primarily because of a history of seizures (he was given several EEG's and a metabolic screen --- in the end he was only prescribed speech therpay... this particular prescription was useful in that health insurance paid for some of it).

Herbs are not necesarily effective nor safe. Many herb mixtures have the actual active ingredients used in real meds... but not necesarily in consistent doses. Plus some "Herb masters" have been known to slip in ground up pills of the real meds. Stick to the providers at Health Canada.
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Excellent post, HCN.

-TT
 
Kitty Chan said:
So ok what would this guy find in the boy in regards to ADD, or just find a sensitive stomach?? or physical problems..

The problem I haave with it is ADD has to do with chemical in our brain

Also, herbs even though natural are still a drug and how much before its too much?
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Who's diagnosing this kid with a "sensitive stomach"? There is cause-effect relationship that needs to be further delved into by a physician before this can be definitively stated.

-TT
 
Hydrogen Cyanide said:
A psychiatrist is a medical doctor and can prescribe medication (not to be confused with a psychologist, who may have a PhD but not an MD). Another specialist that may be appropriate is a developmental pediatrician. My son saw a child neurologist, primarily because of a history of seizures (he was given several EEG's and a metabolic screen --- in the end he was only prescribed speech therpay... this particular prescription was useful in that health insurance paid for some of it).

Herbs are not necesarily effective nor safe. Many herb mixtures have the actual active ingredients used in real meds... but not necesarily in consistent doses. Plus some "Herb masters" have been known to slip in ground up pills of the real meds. Stick to the providers at Health Canada.
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Thanks for the info, a bit chilling perhaps but something to consider. Im going to push my sons old doc who is a specialist in children whom was recommended to me from the childrens hospital where my son was diagonosed.

I think the problem with my friend is she is organizing with the help of a OT what to do and does not have a particular person in charge to organize everyone in a direction. This is probably why she is going to this herboligist probably feeling a little desperate.

As for the sensitive stomach Third Twin I cant remember I believe the reg doc said hes lactose intolerant or something. I have the feeling its grabbing at straws due to lack of a definate plan on what to do.

So, like I said Im sure the answer is yes but Im sure I would be right to recommend (as she asked) my sons old doc who is the specialist before she gets more opionions on the matter. Besides Im sure another thing her son needs is stability.

And lastly the speech therapist ihas been the most effective person for him. So Im not surprised Hydrogen that it worked for your son. Also my newphew is deaf and speech helped him totally.

If she insists on seeing this guy I will ask her what hes doing for her son maybe I can shed some light for her that way.

Thank you everyone and if there is anything else, please add. :)
 
I can't give you an experts opinion like TT or others here who are doctors but I would add one thing.

Some herbal medicines have active components that are basically drugs. As You can't possibly know the dosage and actions of these active compounds, it is a wise course to steer away from " folk" remedies.
Chicken soup may or may not help a cold but at least it doesn't raise the specter of poisoning or even possibly killing the user.
If you feel you need a second opinion , by all means do it, but use medical professionals who know their craft and not some equivalent of a witch doctor.

I wish You the best.
 
TillEulenspiegel said:
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Thanks, its interesting my sister in law when I visited last month was the one mentioning natural cures are still drugs (shes not a doc either) so its nice to see it backed up.

Thanks I will have a chat with my friend see if I can get her to understand. Shes not pig headed I think just stressed.
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