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Dowsing works

Ashles

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Ashles
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It must do, look at the evidence you darned sceptics.

For example:
Ken Tylosky's scientific evidence explains dowsing using known and undisputed scientific facts such as
"The divining rods are charged with static electricity from the dowser's own body. This static electricity can be seen quite adequately with a simple millivolt meter. This voltage is measured between the hands of the dowser, to measure this voltage accurately a diff amp should be used at the input to the voltmeter, "this eliminates stray signals which are common to both hands". The amount of voltage will vary depending on the person. A good dowser will have a high reading, "above 100 mv" while a poor dowser may read as low as,"0 mv.". For males the right hand is usually a negative polarity, and the left hand is positive in polarity. These polarities are usually reversed in females. "
Well absolutely.

Or

Dowsing used to find caves
This page has clear historical evidence
Thou shalt smite the rock, and there shall come water out of it, that the people may drink (Exodus 17:5 6)

Take the rod...and speak ye unto the rock...and it shall give forth water (Numbers 20:9 11)

and some readers have taken these references to indicate that Moses was dowsing using his staff.
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And look at all the people who use dowsing:

The long list of users of dowsing may be surprising to some readers:


Engineering Companies (e.g. the Bio-Physical Method (BPM) was used in 1971 in the former USSR to detect water filtering through a dam (Bird 1979))
Water Companies (a pair of dowsing rods is carried inside the doors of Water Board vans)
Mining Companies (e.g. documented use for finding ore and petroleum in the USSR (Bakirov 1973))
Laundries (for water supply)
Breweries (for water supply)
Building Contractors (to locate unknown service pipes on building sites)
Farmers (for water supply)
Government Departments
Police (location of buried items and, it is rumoured, bodies)
Armed Forces (dowsing used by the British Army since Colonial times); dowsing appeared in USSR army manuals in 1930 for the finding of water in remote areas; dowsing used by the First and Third US Marine Divisions in Vietnam, 1967, as a simple, low-cost method for locating Vietcong tunnels, which were used for communication, storage depots, supply network, command posts, training centres, hospitals and sally ports for over twenty years (Bossart 1968 in the Project Poorboy Annual Progress Report; Bird 1979, Chapter 11)).
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I bet none of you can come up with any other explanation as to why Water Board vans would carry L-Shaped metal rods in their vans.

The case is so proved that I'll leave it there.

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Ashles said:
It must do, look at the evidence you darned sceptics.

For example:
Ken Tylosky's scientific evidence explains dowsing using known and undisputed scientific facts such as
*snip*
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:nope: Even for a woo text, that is an unusually concentrated load of gibberish. Usually they take the trouble to spice it heavily with scientifically acceptable statements, but I don't think there is more than one or two sentences there that make sense, technically :rolleyes:.

Hans
 
So if dowsing works, why doesn't somebody go take the Randi challenge with it and win a million dollars?
 
Because Randi wouldn't pay the money (I doubt it even exists) and anyway he would set impossible targets to achieve if he didn't just turn the offer down flat without explanation (like he does to most claims).
He knows dowsing works really and has admitted it on several occasions.
 
Besides, dowsers are Good Peopleâ„¢ who have no need for tainted skeptic's (non-existant) money!

Anyway, isn't that money (which doesn't exist) cursed or something?
 
Nex said:
Besides, dowsers are Good Peopleâ„¢ who have no need for tainted skeptic's (non-existant) money!

Anyway, isn't that money (which doesn't exist) cursed or something?
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Oh, are we starting this again?
 
kookbreaker said:
Oh, are we starting this again?
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Actually, it is all true. See, the money (which doesn't exist) is in the form of bonds, and everyone knows that Bonds took drugs to hit more home runs, so winning the prize directly aids the drug pushers.
 
Ashles said:
Because Randi wouldn't pay the money (I doubt it even exists) and anyway he would set impossible targets to achieve if he didn't just turn the offer down flat without explanation (like he does to most claims).
He knows dowsing works really and has admitted it on several occasions.
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1) In the homeopathy test Randi did for the BBC recently, they showed a bank statement establishing that the money exists.

2) If Randi refused to pay, the dowser could then trumpet this fact to the world and utterly discredit him. I'm confident that most of the skeptics on this board - who could probably be fairly classed as Randi's biggest supporters - would condemn him if he refused to pay out on a successful test. I sure would.

3) Randi can't set "impossible to achieve" targets, certainly not in the case of dowsing. Testing a dowser is extremely simple and straightforward, and the dowsers who have took the test have ALL agreed in advance that this is a completely fair test. For that matter, they all score well on the test when they know where the object to be found was.

4) Please provide one Randi quote in which he admits that dowsing works.
 
Seismosaurus said:
1) In the homeopathy test Randi did for the BBC recently, they showed a bank statement establishing that the money exists.

2) If Randi refused to pay, the dowser could then trumpet this fact to the world and utterly discredit him. I'm confident that most of the skeptics on this board - who could probably be fairly classed as Randi's biggest supporters - would condemn him if he refused to pay out on a successful test. I sure would.

3) Randi can't set "impossible to achieve" targets, certainly not in the case of dowsing. Testing a dowser is extremely simple and straightforward, and the dowsers who have took the test have ALL agreed in advance that this is a completely fair test. For that matter, they all score well on the test when they know where the object to be found was.

4) Please provide one Randi quote in which he admits that dowsing works.
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Psssst! Check your irony meter, I think it is broken ;).

Hans
 
MRC_Hans said:
Psssst! Check your irony meter, I think it is broken ;).

Hans
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If I wasn't familiar with Ashles record, I would probably have taken it as authentic. No, on second thought, its still too intelligent sounding to be from a woo.
 
IXP said:
If I wasn't familiar with Ashles record, I would probably have taken it as authentic. No, on second thought, its still too intelligent sounding to be from a woo.
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Larsen is familiar with Ashles' record. Note his post count. And Seismosaurus ought to be too, heheh.




...But I know the feeling. When your woo alarm goes off, you tend to shoot first and ask questions later.

Hans
 
I sue a dowsing crystal quite a lot, I use it for my aromatherapy .. then I have clients I ask them to hold the crystal and then take the crystal back and use that to pick out the oils required.

I also use it when I am ghost hunting and have had some facinating result .. even caught one on film and if I can figure out how to download films (can we do that on here?) I can show you what happened. We connected with a spirit and were asking questions. We thought we had finished out 'chat' when the crystal went mad .. I mean thing thing was spinning so that it became a blur, and my hand wasn't moving! The spirit gave us a warning about another group who were in trouble, so one of our group legged it over to the other side of the fort, just as they were running out as strange things were happening to them.
Oh I would also like to point out in the room with us was a complete skeptic, who has now changed his opinions.

Now I don't imagine the skeptics on there to believe any of this .. but thats life .. wouldn't do for us to all believe in the same things.


L&L

EA
 
Earth Angel said:
I sue a dowsing crystal quite a lot, I use it for my aromatherapy .. then I have clients I ask them to hold the crystal and then take the crystal back and use that to pick out the oils required.
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ONE MILLION DOLLARS

That's all I'm gonna say about this.
 
Oh I would also like to point out in the room with us was a complete skeptic, who has now changed his opinions.
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He can't have been a particularly informed sceptic then if he isn't aware of the ideomotor effect.

And if you have digitised film then perhaps one of the posters here will host it for you, but if you have still images then you can atach them to your post.

Assuming you are not pulling our legs then please tell us what exactly you can dowse for and why you think that, despite no dowser ever having been able to show an effect when tested, your ability is somehow different.
 
He can't have been a particularly informed sceptic then if he isn't aware of the ideomotor effect.
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Well I have no idea what the ideomotot effect is ... but being a scientist he probabaly does.

it was recorded on a digital camera so if anyone wants to tell me how to load it up I will.

Assuming you are not pulling our legs then please tell us what exactly you can dowse for and why you think that, despite no dowser ever having been able to show an effect when tested, your ability is somehow different.
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Why would I be pull your leg if I'm willing to show you evidence?

I have no idea why no dowser has been able to show and effect when tested. No my ability isn't different from others why would it be .. because I happeend to be caught on film? It was no my intention to be filmed doing it, it just happened.

As for dowsing I alread said I use it for oils and to talk to spirits .. and before you say anything the questions I ask I don't know the answers to but the answers are always correct! How do I know this because we have manged to find the information!

L&L

EA
 
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