Domestic Terrorism in US

[pgwenthold]

I've been out of town for a week, and I come back and see all these threads on muslims and their response to the cartoon.

Perhaps I missed it, but I don't see anything about the most recent terrorist attack in the US. Last week, an 18 year old kid goes into a gay bar and starts shooting indiscriminately. Ultimately, this weekend, the cops track him down and took him out.

Terrorist? You dang straight! What else would you call it?

Not a suicide bomber, granted, but definately a terrorist. If it were a muslim who walked onto a bus of Jews and did it, there wouldn't be any question that he'd be called a terrorist. But when it is a neo-nazi who walks into a gay bar, it gets nary any attention?

 

[Manny]

I think it might be because the guy's government properly took care of the problem. It was absolutely an act of domestic terrorism. And what do we do with terrorists? We capture or kill them, that's what. The police department of Gassville, Arkansas, at the cost of one of their own, did both. One hopes that they will now investigate the white supremecists to whom the terrorist was fleeing in hopes of receiving sanctuary.

 

[Dr Adequate]

Hmm ... it looks like we need "Skeptic" here to explain what our attitude should be.

Sorry, but we ARE at war with conservatives

It is perfectly true, of course, that most conservatives are not like this guy. The problem is that while this premise is true, it simply does not follow that conservatism is not a threat to Europe (and the world), or that conservatism is not backward and barbaric, or that the west is not at war with it.

You see, the fact that only a minority is extremist was trivially true for EVERY SINGLE AGRESSIVE NATION OR VIOLENT POLITICAL MOVEMENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD. But it simply doesn't matter: what matters is what the goal of the NATION OR MOVEMENT is, not the goal of every particular individual in it.

Etc ...

 

[BPSCG]

But it simply doesn't matter: what matters is what the goal of the NATION OR MOVEMENT is, not the goal of every particular individual in it.

Right. And in this case, the goal of "the nation" was to track this guy down, no matter how far he ran, and capture him to make him stand trial, or, failing that, kill him.

Now, compare and contrast to the treatment of an Islamist terrorist when he gets away to a Muslim country. Is he captured and extradited for trial?

More silliness from the moral equivalency brigade.

 

[pgwenthold]

Right. And in this case, the goal of "the nation" was to track this guy down, no matter how far he ran, and capture him to make him stand trial, or, failing that, kill him.

Now, compare and contrast to the treatment of an Islamist terrorist when he gets away to a Muslim country. Is he captured and extradited for trial?

1) I thought the goal of our nation was to PREVENT terrorist acts, not just track them down and capture them after the fact? This was the whole basis of attacking Iraq! To prevent terrorism. Shoot, this is even the revisionist version of why we invaded Iraq.

2) Funnily enough, we have an Islamist terrorist mastermind who is out and on the loose, and the president has admitted he doesn't even care where the guy is.

 

[Manny]

Bahahahahaha! IRAQ! IRAQ! Chimpy W. McBushitlerburton!!!!eleventy!!!

What a maroon.

 

[Dr Adequate]

Right. And in this case, the goal of "the nation" was to track this guy down, no matter how far he ran, and capture him to make him stand trial, or, failing that, kill him.

My "criticism" was obviously directed at a MOVEMENT (conservatism) rather than a NATION (the USA). This is why it contains the word "conservatism" and not the letters "USA".

He was, as has been noted, running to conservatives for help when he was captured. It was not their goal "to track this guy down, no matter how far he ran, and capture him to make him stand trial, or, failing that, kill him"; but to give him aid and shelter from the law.

 

[BPSCG]

My "criticism" was obviously directed at a MOVEMENT (conservatism) rather than a NATION (the USA). This is why it contains the word "conservatism" and not the letters "USA".

He was, as has been noted, running to conservatives for help when he was captured. It was not their goal "to track this guy down, no matter how far he ran, and capture him to make him stand trial, or, failing that, kill him"; but to give him aid and shelter from the law.

Okay, you're doing the moral equivalence nonsense again. If you can't see the difference between a lone crackpot committing a murder and having to travel halfway across the country in a futile attempt to find supporters, and someone in a terrorist organization committing mass murder and immediately finding aid and comfort from friends, family, community, and government, then there's no hope for you.

 

[Just thinking]

Okay, you're doing the moral equivalence nonsense again. If you can't see the difference between a lone crackpot committing a murder and having to travel halfway across the country in a futile attempt to find supporters, and someone in a terrorist organization committing mass murder and immediately finding aid and comfort from friends, family, community, and government, then there's no hope for you.

Not to mention that conservative justice is usually far more severe (and fair, in my opinion on these matters) than liberal justice.

 

[Cleon]

Somehow, I think if he'd been a Muslim there would've been a bit more commentary about the subject here.

 

[Darat]

I've been out of town for a week, and I come back and see all these threads on muslims and their response to the cartoon.

Perhaps I missed it, but I don't see anything about the most recent terrorist attack in the US. Last week, an 18 year old kid goes into a gay bar and starts shooting indiscriminately. Ultimately, this weekend, the cops track him down and took him out.

Terrorist? You dang straight! What else would you call it?

Not a suicide bomber, granted, but definately a terrorist. If it were a muslim who walked onto a bus of Jews and did it, there wouldn't be any question that he'd be called a terrorist. But when it is a neo-nazi who walks into a gay bar, it gets nary any attention?

I agree but homosexuals as a group, well I mean OK I wouldn't harm them myself but they are asking for it aren't they, what can you expect?

 

[pgwenthold]

Somehow, I think if he'd been a Muslim there would've been a bit more commentary about the subject here.

I think this is the part that was most surprising to me. Not that there is no outrage or anything, but in this day of our supposed "War on Terror" that a terrorist attack on US soil goes completely unmentioned here (as far as I can tell).

 

[BPSCG]

I agree but homosexuals as a group, well I mean OK I wouldn't harm them myself but they are asking for it aren't they, what can you expect?

I know you are speaking facetiously, but to whom do you attribute these sentiments?

 

[Darat]

I know you are speaking facetiously, but to whom do you attribute these sentiments?

To the moderate non-homophobes of course who don't reign in the extremists in their society....

But seriously from my own personal experience it is very much an attitude I have experienced all my life.

 

[BPSCG]

I think this is the part that was most surprising to me. Not that there is no outrage or anything, but in this day of our supposed "War on Terror" that a terrorist attack on US soil goes completely unmentioned here (as far as I can tell).

What, that a lone crackpot goes on a shooting rampage and gets a bullet himself for his troubles?

Is there something to debate here?

Anyone think he was justified?

Hello, anyone?

Anyone think he didn't get what he deserved?

Hello? Anyone?
Anyone at all?

Anyone think the government isn't doing enough to fight the nationwide Organization of Crazed Lone Gunmen (OCLG)?

 

[Mycroft]

Somehow, I think if he'd been a Muslim there would've been a bit more commentary about the subject here.

Undoubtedly.

Rather than universal condemnation of the man's hatred and violence, we'd have the usual suspects making moral equivalency arguments showing how he's not really any worse that fundy Christians who bombed abortion clinics ten years ago while also claiming that his actions were motivated by a perfectly understandable, excusable, and justified anger as US policy.

 

[Cleon]

What, that a lone crackpot goes on a shooting rampage and gets a bullet himself for his troubles?

Is there something to debate here?

Anyone think he was justified?

Odd, I haven't seen a bunch of people saying the rioting Muslims are justified, yet it seems to dominate discussion for some reason.

 

[Mycroft]

To the moderate non-homophobes of course who don't reign in the extremists in their society....

Wasn't he shot and killed by those moderate non-homophobes? What more can we do to reign in extremists than to shoot them?

 

[Darat]

Wasn't he shot and killed by those moderate non-homophobes? What more can we do to reign in extremists than to shoot them?

Nope that isn't good enough you need to act before they do anything else it doesn't count.

Also using the police as examples of moderates doesn't count

 

[Mycroft]

Odd, I haven't seen a bunch of people saying the rioting Muslims are justified, yet it seems to dominate discussion for some reason.

But you do see a bunch of people placing the responsibility for the rioting Muslims on the newspapers and not the Muslims who are rioting.

To make a parallel here, one would need to place the responsibility for the shootings on the homosexuals who provoked them. In my opinion, that would be a despicable point of view, and I’m glad nobody here is arguing for it