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Does philosophy evolve?

jay gw

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Does philosophy evolve in a linear way, like science and technology, going from the simpler or cruder to the more complex and sophisticated, or does it do something else entirely?

Is it possible that the history of philosophy has been one of slow regression?
 
I don't see how. The ideas of classical philosophy have been retained in history, and some of them tested and even falsified. Interesting notion, perhaps.
 
The ideas of classical philosophy have been retained in history, and some of them tested and even falsified

Which ones have been falsified?
 
Hmm. Well considering the broad range of things the Greeks speculated about, how about spontaneous generation? The geocentric universe? Of course these are scientific things, but the most influential philosophy that survives from classical times is, for obvious reasons, non-falsifiable.
 
Of course these are scientific things, but the most influential philosophy that survives from classical times is, for obvious reasons, non-falsifiable.

Science says that anything that's non falsifiable cannot be true.
 
I haven't heard of serious discussion of the tripartite soul from modern philosophers.

Although that would be refreshing!

A lot of previous-era philosophical notions have been rendered moot by scientific advancement. For example, the Rationalists' sometimes-wild ideas on perception would have been rather different if they had had as much knowledge of the brain as we currently do. And the ancients' obsession with perfection as being circular, with the heavens as proof of the divine...well, we know those circles aren't perfect now. Orbits decay.

Which doesn't mean that old philosophy is valueless, by any means. Just that some of it has been outgrown.
 
jay gw said:
Science says that anything that's non falsifiable cannot be true.

I would have thought science holds the non-falsifiable as unprovable. (And therefore outside the scope and interests of science.)
 
A lot of previous-era philosophical notions have been rendered moot by scientific advancement.

I mentioned that I wasn't referring to science, which is generally linear in development.

I'm referring to philosophical thought.
 
Philosophy and Science

Many questions that used to be philosophical are now scientific - where did we come from, what are stars, why is the sky blue etc.

It's worth noting that science in many ways is a child of philosophy. Its one answer to the qustion "how can we know what is true"?
 
Philosophy is generally a speculative form of thought. It explores the nature of reality, thought, etc. when such nature cannot be determined by other means. Once science develops to encompass a particular area of philosophical speculation, that philosophy 'dies'.

In many ways, philosophy is like religion: it [temporarily] fills in the gaps in knowledge, until something else comes along.

Luckily for philosophers, there will always be plenty of broad gaps that, possibly, cannot ever be filled by science.
 
Of course it evolves. Philosophy is a form of meme exchange.
The process evolves- speech, writing, print, internet.
The content evolves- Gods, semantics, epistemology, navel gazing..
The people evolve- Aristotle, Socrates, Hegel, Nietsche, Russell, Ayer, Interesting Ian...

Evolution is not necessarily a directional process.
 
Science says that anything that's non falsifiable cannot be true.

God does not exist. That's non falsifiable, therefore it cannot be true. If it's not true then God does exist.

I've done the impossible- I just proved that God does exist.

On the other hand- God does exist. That's also non falsifiable, therefore it cannot be true. It it's not true then God does not exist.

On the other hand, the statement "anything that's non falsifiable cannot be true" is non falsifialbe, therefore it cannot be true.
 
jay gw said:
Science says that anything that's non falsifiable cannot be true.
Could you explain? BTW, science IS a branch of philosophy.
 
Once science develops to encompass a particular area of philosophical speculation, that philosophy 'dies'.

Science doesn't speculate on what is right and wrong for humans to do.

On the other hand, the statement "anything that's non falsifiable cannot be true" is non falsifialbe, therefore it cannot be true.

It can be true, because you can show something that's true but can't be shown by tests to be. Why don't you try?
 
Bob Klase said:
God does not exist. That's non falsifiable, therefore it cannot be true. If it's not true then God does exist.

I've done the impossible- I just proved that God does exist.

On the other hand- God does exist. That's also non falsifiable, therefore it cannot be true. It it's not true then God does not exist.

On the other hand, the statement "anything that's non falsifiable cannot be true" is non falsifialbe, therefore it cannot be true.
Thanks Bob.

There are NO absolutes!...?
 
Once science develops to encompass a particular area of philosophical speculation, that philosophy 'dies'.

In many ways, philosophy is like religion: it [temporarily] fills in the gaps in knowledge, until something else comes along.

This is.... odd.

As has been pointed out already: science is a subfield of philosophy. If the philosophy 'died' there wouldn't be any science there either. And if you think science replaces philosophy in certain areas, well, the contemporary debates in the Philosophy of Physics have some very rude words for you, I'm afraid.

Does philosophy evolve in a linear way, like science and technology, going from the simpler or cruder to the more complex and sophisticated, or does it do something else entirely?

I'm entirely uncertain you can demonstrate that science or technology does this. You might, I suppose, define what we have now as "awesome" and anything before then as less than awesome and just run with it - but that can be done just as easily with Philosophy.

In neither case, I'm afraid, is "evolution" a viable way of talking about it - especially when you see to have some directional model (which is, of course, not really evolution either) in mind.
 
jay gw said:
Does philosophy evolve in a linear way, like science and technology, going from the simpler or cruder to the more complex and sophisticated, or does it do something else entirely?

Is it possible that the history of philosophy has been one of slow regression?

I like to think that philosophy is an iterative circular process. That is, all philosophical arguments evolve as a response to other arguments, and eventually we get right back to where we started, but expressed in completely different terms.
 
RandFan said:
Thanks Bob.

There are NO absolutes!...?
Except for the fact that there are NO absolutes!...? All that tells me is that everything is merely a matter of perspective of that which is absolute -- "the whole." Of course whether we're able obtain absolute omniscience of all that there is, is another story.
 
Correction taken home. Thank you.

Science as a subfield of philosophy has never really occured to me, because when I think of 'science' I think of a process of learning about the world through observation, testing, the scientific method, etc. I think about confirmable results, repeatable tests, and verifiable information. I think about new knowledge that has practical application or is capable of further prediction.

When I consider 'philosophy', what I usually think of is a process that attempts to explain things without actually testing much of anything, using only observations and varying degrees of formal and informal logic. I think about abstract concepts, unverifiable ideas, and a general lack of practical application (excepting, of course, moral or social advancement).

However, I do stand corrected.

Nevertheless, in general, when one is presented with philosophy (especially on fora such as these), one is usually presented with a near-theology type of philosophy, like acosmism, or idealism, etc. In general, these appear to be based, in some part, on concepts that, eventually, become disproven by science or otherwise invalidated (like, the world is composed of fire, or water, etc.), or else are based on unfalsifiable concepts entirely (like, nothing really exists at all). A lot of this type of philosophy has fallen to the wayside with the further increase in scientific knowledge over the years, and as such, I tend to see it as being much like religion - seeking to fill gaps that eventually won't exist anyway.

Well, it's my biased perception, I suppose. Thanks for the correction.
 

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