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mrfreeze

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That George Orwell hadn't written 1984 so that retards would quit referencing it and acting like they are original or witty for doing so? I mean every damn retard out there with a conspiracy theory thinks he is the first person to ever read that book. I notice a distinct lack of Animal Farm quoting and referencing however.
 
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mrfreeze said:
That Orson Welles hadn't written 1984 so that retards would quit referencing it and acting like they are original or witty for doing so? I mean every damn retard out there with a conspiracy theory thinks he is the first person to ever read that book. I notice a distinct lack of Animal Farm quoting and referencing however.
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Well except it was George Orwell....otherwise I agree
 
When they could go watch the great film 1984 and a 1/2,... I mean BRAZIL!
Good humor might come from it atleast!
 
mrfreeze said:
That George Orwell hadn't written 1984 so that retards would quit referencing it and acting like they are original or witty for doing so? I mean every damn retard out there with a conspiracy theory thinks he is the first person to ever read that book. I notice a distinct lack of Animal Farm quoting and referencing however.
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No, I think Orwell had a vital message in both 1984 and Animal farm, the problem is, people have forgotten what the message was in 1984- especially the nutbars who think that it was an attack on fascism.
Although I do wish he had never invented the term "big brother" I hate reality TV ;)

Also, I think both 1984 and Animal farm (as well as Down and out in London and Paris, and Homage to Catalonia) are absolutely fantastic books, which many, many more people should read, and understand. I would reomand the more politically minded taking a look at “The lion and the Unicorn” and some of his other essays as well- even if you disagree with his arguments and conclusions, they are fantastically written.
 
mrfreeze said:
I notice a distinct lack of Animal Farm quoting and referencing however.
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Pseudo-Leftists & Faux-Revolutionaries are never going to quote that, they don't want people to realize that the real work of a revolution comes after the corrupt powers are overthrown, to rebuild the state in the new image and to ensure that new dictators do not arise.

The perfect examples are the American & French Revolutions. The US (more or less) succeeded in this and the French failed.
 
Graham2001 said:
Pseudo-Leftists & Faux-Revolutionaries are never going to quote that, they don't want people to realize that the real work of a revolution comes after the corrupt powers are overthrown, to rebuild the state in the new image and to ensure that new dictators do not arise.
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But that's a lot of the point of 1984 as well.
 
brodski said:
The trouble is, the LC nutters totally missunderstand that story as well.
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One thing I am curious of... V for Vendetta seems to turn Guy Fawkes into a hero...

Is that a really obvious Americanisation? Or is there support of what Fawkes did in the UK? I thought the Brits were still fairly supportive of the monarchy.

(Incidentally, I find it funny that the US ditched the British because their head of state was a meanie... the US head of state has significantly more power than the UK head of state...)

-Andrew
 
That's how it was in the comic, so perhaps Alan Moore supported it. Either that or he just needed an appropriate mask.
 
mrfreeze said:
That's because instead of reading the comic they just went and saw the "Oh my god George Bush is evil" movie version.
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That's only beceaue peopel see what they want to see in that movie (I incldue myself in this as well ;) ). I don't see that the political message of of V for Vendetta changed much, but as with all art, context is vital.
 
From what I remember, Alan Moore wanted his name off of the movie because they changed the conflict from fascism vs anarchy, to fascism vs democracy.

Personally, I was a little put off by the fact that they needed to beat you over the head with the symbolism. Particularly in the scene where she was standing in the rain. Don't want to say more in case it contains spoilers.
 
brodski said:
But that's a lot of the point of 1984 as well.
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But the people I'm referring to (however vaguely) do not see the similarity, instead they hold up conditions today to the mirror presented by 1984 and go "we're living in a dictatorship, see here, Orwell wrote/said..."
 
brodski said:
That's only beceaue peopel see what they want to see in that movie (I incldue myself in this as well ;) ). I don't see that the political message of of V for Vendetta changed much, but as with all art, context is vital.
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That's probably why I didn't see any of the overt "Bush = satan" stuff in the film. All I wanted to see was Natalie Portman. And that's what I saw...;)

-Andrew
 
gumboot said:
One thing I am curious of... V for Vendetta seems to turn Guy Fawkes into a hero...

Is that a really obvious Americanisation? Or is there support of what Fawkes did in the UK? I thought the Brits were still fairly supportive of the monarchy.

(Incidentally, I find it funny that the US ditched the British because their head of state was a meanie... the US head of state has significantly more power than the UK head of state...)

-Andrew
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In the original book Moore tried to turn Fawlks into a hero- therefore it's not an Americanism at all, however it is not generally in keeping with the British view of Fawlks.
the real Guy Fawlks was an foreign trained terrorist, sent on a suicide mission to blow up a national monument and murder many people, in an effort to institute a theocracy. Sound familiar?
As far as I can tell, most UK subjects are ambivalent at best towards the current Royal family.
 
Graham2001 said:
But the people I'm referring to (however vaguely) do not see the similarity, instead they hold up conditions today to the mirror presented by 1984 and go "we're living in a dictatorship, see here, Orwell wrote/said..."
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I quite agree- they misuse Orwell in the same way that the misuse all other evidence.
 
mrfreeze said:
From what I remember, Alan Moore wanted his name off of the movie because they changed the conflict from fascism vs anarchy, to fascism vs democracy.

Personally, I was a little put off by the fact that they needed to beat you over the head with the symbolism. Particularly in the scene where she was standing in the rain. Don't want to say more in case it contains spoilers.
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That's not the story I find most plausible, given that Moore has disassociated himself from all movie adaptations he has currently sold the rights for. It think it has more to do with the hassle he got over the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.
 
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