Split Thread Difference between Antifa and the Proud Boys

[Brainster]

Reading this article on Lawfare, I'm struck with how much the Proud Boys came to resemble Antifa. Consider:

Videos presented by the government show that, before the Proud Boys arrived, the circle was still calm and sparsely populated with protesters. The arrival of 200 Proud Boys changed that. Biggs led chants through his megaphone. They evolved <snip. to “Whose house? Our house” and “Whose Capitol? Our Capitol.”

Later, in chat messages:

'"This is no longer Washington DC... This is the City of the People of the United States of America. Come and Take it!"

CHOP or CHAZ in Seattle?

Also numerous anti-police sentiments expressed, just like Antifa.

 

[Donal]

Ya, its weird how the Proud Boys look like the fantasy versions of AntiFa. almost like right-wingers have a pathological need to project.

 

[dudalb]

Extremes feed off each other.
And yes, despite hating facists, I think a lot of the ANTIFA were pretty extreme. TOo many of them considered anybody not as far to the left as they were to be fascist.
Anyway, these fools will have a nice stay at Leveanworth ahead of them.
Unless Donnie gets in again an they are pardoned to become leaders in his versin of the SA....

 

[dann]

Yes, Trump will pardon them all if he gets the chance, the same way he would pardon Antifa. It's amazing how similar they are.
"ANTIFA!"

 

[kookbreaker]

Extremes feed off each other.
And yes, despite hating facists, I think a lot of the ANTIFA were pretty extreme. TOo many of them considered anybody not as far to the left as they were to be fascist.
Anyway, these fools will have a nice stay at Leveanworth ahead of them.
Unless Donnie gets in again an they are pardoned to become leaders in his versin of the SA....

Proud Boys (and similar righties) go away and Antifa pretty much goes away. Its members go back to whatever movements they prefer to work on.

Antifa goes away and Proud Boys run amok.

 

[Darat]

To be fair, I'm not sure I'd trust the government to make that distinction. Mainly because a lot of people who would qualify as "domestic terrorists" under an objective standard will probably be among those writing and enforcing such laws.

Like anything it can be abused but most countries - even ones that often fare better than the USA in terms of freedom ratings - have such a system.

split from Proud Boys Not So Proud......

Posted By: jimbob

 

[dann]

Indeed, recall all the constant efforts to get Antifa declared a terrorist organization by the right wing during the previous administration.

And blaming Antifa for doing what they are now celebrating the actual perpetrators for having done.

 

[Hercules56]

And blaming Antifa for doing what they are now celebrating the actual perpetrators for having done.

Antifa and the 1/6 Insurrectionists both believe in violence to achieve their political objectives. Therefore they are both terrorist scum.

 

[kookbreaker]

What are Antifa’s objectives, exactly?

 

[dudalb]

What are Antifa’s objectives, exactly?

Problem with Antifa is that name covers a wide group of individuals; from peaceful demonstrators to anarachists who are anything but peaceful. There is no actual organizatin called Antifa; it'sjust a term.
Of course just being Anti Fascist does not mean you are automatically a good guy;you could support a political viewpoint that is just as bad. Stalin was certaily Anti Fascist; I don't think anybody with one ounce of rationality would say he is a good guy.
As I said the people who were claimed to be Antifa but were looting shops; put their butt in jail. Not claiming they were as bad as the Jan 6th people but that is no reason to let them off the hook.

 

[dudalb]

Antifa and the 1/6 Insurrectionists both believe in violence to achieve their political objectives. Therefore they are both terrorist scum.

I think some who called themselves Antifa were just out to do a little looting.

 

[Hercules56]

I think some who called themselves Antifa were just out to do a little looting.

As barely and loosely connected group of totally autonomous organizations, one can never know for sure who the **** they are and what they believe.

I'm sure there have been arguments and scuffles between competing Antifa groups to decide who is the "real" Antifa and who is insufficiently Anti-fascist.

 

[Cat Not Included]

Antifa and the 1/6 Insurrectionists both believe in violence to achieve their political objectives. Therefore they are both terrorist scum.

Antifa's "political objectives" are "stand up to fascists". If violence used to stop violence is terrorism, then the police, military, and anyone engaging in self-defense is a terrorist.

 

[kookbreaker]

As barely and loosely connected group of totally autonomous organizations, one can never know for sure who the **** they are and what they believe.
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And yet you are ready to call them terrorists.

 

[Hercules56]

Antifa's "political objectives" are "stand up to fascists". If violence used to stop violence is terrorism, then the police, military, and anyone engaging in self-defense is a terrorist.

Various Antifa groups have done more than simply counter-protesting against so-called "Fascists".

"Along with black bloc activists, antifa groups were among those who protested the 2016 election of Donald Trump.[10][65][99] Antifa activists also participated in the February 2017 Berkeley protests against alt-right provocateur[103][104][105] speaker Milo Yiannopoulos, where antifa gained mainstream attention,[49] with media reporting antifa protesters "throwing Molotov cocktails and smashing windows"[77] and causing $100,000 worth of damage.[106]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Tacoma_attack

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Dayton_shooting

https://www.voanews.com/a/usa_race-...d-killing-trump-supporter-oregon/6195248.html

https://news.yahoo.com/six-antifa-extremists-arrested-charged-151301053.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

https://abcnews.go.com/US/year-protests-portland-residents-waning-patience-antifa/story?id=77511470

Indeed many Antifa groups have engaged in violence unrelated to counter-protesting so-called Fascists.

 

[Hercules56]

And yet you are ready to call them terrorists.

As they are not in any way an organized group, it would be hard to call them ALL terrorists. But clearly a few of them are. And their agenda is far from peaceful and democratic.

 

[Donal]

Antifa and the 1/6 Insurrectionists both believe in violence to achieve their political objectives. Therefore they are both terrorist scum.

That definition also applies to pretty much every government.

 

[Hercules56]

That definition also applies to pretty much every government.

Very few governments go to war these days.

 

[Donal]

ya, they don't fill out the paperwork. Does that mean they aren't committing violent acts to further political goals?

 

[Hercules56]

ya, they don't fill out the paperwork. Does that mean they aren't committing violent acts to further political goals?

This thread was just split, are we gonna force it to be split again soo soon?

Back to Antifa vs Proud Boys.