Did the President Insult a "Swing" State?

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KCCI quotes the President saying the following in little town near the capital of Iowa, Iowa being one of the "battleground" states in the coming election:
I tell you, the crowds we're seeing out here are really big. I believe something is going on here in the hinterlands, in the heartland, that is going to mean a victory come November. (emphasis added)
Well, guess what. The head of the Iowa Democratic Party has said that referring to Des Moines as the hinterlands is insulting, and he demands an apology.

The state's Republican senator, of course, thinks the remark is just peachy.

Geez, there seems to be a concerted effort to do anything to avoid deciding an election based upon merit.

It is true that "hinterlands" means removed from big cities. Des Moines isn't as big as some cities, but it isn't a small town, either. One connotation of "hinterlands," however, expresses a notion of being removed from cities not only geographically, but also culturally. So folks living in the "hinterlands" are a little backward or behind the times.

So could Iowans take offense? Maybe. But I don't remember any Iowans taking offense when the "South Park" episode about the unfrozen ice man was aired. The punch line of the show was that the boys decided to send him to Des Moines because Des Moines was two years behind everybody else (and the iceman had only been frozen for two years).

Still, contrary to widely held East Coast belief, Iowa is not backward. Iowa consistently ranks among the top states in terms of education of young people. A lot of folks think that Iowans are hayseeds, but most of them are not. (Unfortunately, Iowa's Republican senator, Chuck Grassley, is a pretty nice guy and a decent senator, but he sounds rather like a hayseed. Chances are he'll be referring to his home state as "the hinterlands" for awhile, to show that the word is really some sort of compliment.)

And when all is said and done, this whole bit just looks like another Bush slip of the tongue. He probably meant to say "heartland," misspoke, and then corrected himself.

It's not as though Bush called Iowa "Ohio" (as President Ford did, during a speech in Ames).
 
Is there a state out there that is not being described as a "swing" or "battleground" state???
 
Brown said:
The head of the Iowa Democratic Party has said that referring to Des Moines as the hinterlands is insulting, and he demands an apology.

"Demanding an apology" would only serve to heard the Dems. He should point it out and jokingly add how out of touch Bush is, and then be done with it.
 
Brown said:
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Still, contrary to widely held East Coast belief, Iowa is not backward. Iowa consistently ranks among the top states in terms of education of young people. A lot of folks think that Iowans are hayseeds, but most of them are not. ...
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Blah blah blah cough pig f*cker cough blah blah blah :D
 
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Snide said:
"Demanding an apology" would only serve to heard the Dems. He should point it out and jokingly add how out of touch Bush is, and then be done with it.

Webster's sez...

Main Entry: hin·ter·land
Pronunciation: 'hin-t&r-"land, -l&nd
Function: noun
Etymology: German, from hinter hinder + Land
1 : a region lying inland from a coast
2 a : a region remote from urban areas b : a region lying beyond major metropolitan or cultural centers

All true. Why anyone would find that insulting is beyond me.
 
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Rob Lister said:
Webster's sez...

Main Entry: hin·ter·land
Pronunciation: 'hin-t&r-"land, -l&nd
Function: noun
Etymology: German, from hinter hinder + Land
1 : a region lying inland from a coast
2 a : a region remote from urban areas b : a region lying beyond major metropolitan or cultural centers

All true. Why anyone would find that insulting is beyond me.

One guess:
Main Entry: boon·docks
Pronunciation: 'bün-"däks
Function: noun plural
Etymology: Tagalog bundok mountain
1 : rough country filled with dense brush
2 : a rural area : STICKS

That said, off of I-35, there's a Boondocks USA filling station/gift shop/truck stop that's quite proud and popular in Iowa.

This is a non issue. Dems will do well to zip it.
 
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Yes, it's a non-issue, but dictionaries (unfortunately) have a tendency to only report the denotation of a word, but not the connotation. So that dictionary entry is kinda irrelevant.

Of course, I've never heard the word Hinterland in my life, so the only connotation I can get out of is "Sounds German. Maybe a word Hitler would've used."
 
The commonly held connotation is consistent with the dictionary...when one is on tour, as in theatre or music, one has to travel a long way from the coasts to get to 'hinterlands' engagements in places like Des Moines...and one has to tailor topical references in one's act to the fact that people there may not be up on the very latest happenings in New York or LA, etc.
 
That is indeed a gross mischaracterization of Iowa, and he should be called to the carpet for it.

The proper term is "Bufu Egypt".















(runs away)
 
If Bush had called Des Moines a "City", the dems would call it insulting and demand an apology.

Anyway, here's my impressions of the connotations of various terms:

"Boondocks", "Boonies", "Backwater" and "Sticks" are slightly derogatory, suggesting a substandard way of life.

"Hinterlands" just means a rural area.

Someone mentioned "BF Egypt"; which aside from being overly colorful, connotes extreme remoteness or inaccessibility, in a definitely negative way.
 
phildonnia said:
Someone mentioned "BF Egypt"; which aside from being overly colorful, connotes extreme remoteness or inaccessibility, in a definitely negative way.
Not at all, it's a term of endearment. Actually, anything west of O'Hare airport or south of 127th St. is Bufu Egypt. Until you get to the New York City or LA metro areas, of course. ;)
 
Brown said:
The head of the Iowa Democratic Party has said that referring to Des Moines as the hinterlands is insulting, and he demands an apology.
Well of course he did. If Bush had said Iowa was the next best thing to paradise, he would have found an insult in there somewhere. Throw enough mud, etc...

I was in Des Moines some years ago for a convention (nice city, BTW - we had a great time, but it's way too flat for me, since I like whitewater kayaking and skiing), and in the limo from the airport, the driver asked everyone in the back seats if we knew what IOWA stood for.

We all kinda drew a blank.

"Idiots Out Walking Around!!!".

Either they have a great, self-deprecating sense of humor there, or he'd gotten fired from his job at the Chamber of Commerce.
 
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BPSCG said:


"Idiots Out Walking Around!!!".

Either they have a great, self-deprecating sense of humor there, or he'd gotten fired from his job at the Chamber of Commerce.

I went to school at U of Iowa. The eastern half of the state is much more picturesque, I assure you. Des Moines is kind a dumpy by comparison.

Iowans have a fantastic sense of humor. A few I recall from home-grown cornfed types:

"Idiots out wandering aimlessly" (a variation on yours, probably the eastern version)

"Know why Iowa Hawkeye football is so popular? 'Cuz corn is DULL."
 
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Jocko said:
I went to school at U of Iowa. The eastern half of the state is much more picturesque, I assure you. Des Moines is kind a dumpy by comparison.

Iowans have a fantastic sense of humor. A few I recall from home-grown cornfed types:

"Idiots out wandering aimlessly" (a variation on yours, probably the eastern version)

"Know why Iowa Hawkeye football is so popular? 'Cuz corn is DULL."

I lived in Iowa for 5 years. Firendliest people I've ever met (as a generalization). Minnesota nice, my a$$.

Can't believe I said "heard the Dems" above...meant "hurt"...geez, you'd think I was from Iowa or sumthin...







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