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Did Obama just make this up?

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Why does he keep making these kinds of rookie mistakes? When I heard him say this in his news conference it sounded strange and now it turns out it wasn't true.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=6866995&page=1

Obama has said twice in the past two days that Caterpillar CEO James Owens indicated his company would be able to rehire some of the 20,000 recently laid-off employees.

"Yesterday, Jim, the head of Caterpillar, said that if Congress passes our plan, this company will be able to rehire some of the folks who were just laid off," Obama said today in Peoria.

But when asked today if the stimulus could do that, Owens said, "I think, realistically, no. The honest reality is we're probably going to have more layoffs before we start hiring again."

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That he said one thing to Obama and another thing to reporters.
OR, as with anyone that believes they are always the smartest guy in the room, Obama took an offhand remark and built it into what he wanted to hear. This CEO can look at a plan that has at best 20 billion in projects that may require his product and know immediately that there is little or no chance of selling new cats. There are too many older ones already idled. Caterpillar has sales of about 50 billion a year and that is world wide. The paltry 20 billion for heavy infrastructure spending wouldn't come close to making rehiring even a thousand of the 20,000 already laid off feasible.
 
This is all idle speculation unless you were present at their conversation or there is a recording of it. Clearly there was a misunderstanding, on whose part is unclear, but I doubt he "just made it up."
 
This is all idle speculation unless you were present at their conversation or there is a recording of it. Clearly there was a misunderstanding, on whose part is unclear, but I doubt he "just made it up."
It appears he did.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-caterpillar12-2009feb12,0,2185856.story


Reporting from Washington -- Even before the stimulus deal was complete in Congress, President Obama said Wednesday that evidence already showed his economic rescue plan would improve the lives of American workers.

The White House asserted three times Wednesday that Caterpillar Inc., which has laid off workers recently, would be able to rehire employees if Congress approved the stimulus bill.
But as the president prepared for a trip today to visit a Caterpillar plant in East Peoria, Ill., it was unclear whether the world's biggest maker of earth-moving equipment could provide an example of the stimulus bill's job-creating powers.

The Peoria, Ill.-based company would not say how many laid-off employees might return to work, or when. Nor would it say how many workers targeted for upcoming layoffs might keep their jobs.

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Caterpillar officials said they had not examined the agreement on the stimulus bill hammered out by House and Senate negotiators, and would not comment on the plan.
Despite the president's announcement, workers back in his home state of Illinois weren't sure how to interpret the comments that Obama said were made by Caterpillar's chief executive.

"He's not saying, 'I'm going to rehire U.S. employees or even Peoria employees,' " said Rick Doty, president of United Auto Workers Local 974, which represents thousands of Caterpillar workers. "He's just saying if [the stimulus bill] is to his liking, then he'll rehire some people that they laid off. To me, it's more of a threat than anything else."
 
You were warned about his lack of experience before you voted for him. ;)
What's the matter, you don't want to pay the trillion dollars and change?
:D
 
So did Obama quote the guy accurately or not? That the guy later acknowledged he was being over-enthusiastic about it doesn't affect that.

OF course, for Obama to continue to repeat it after the de facto retraction would be disingenuous. I.e. a lie.
 
Why does he keep making these kinds of rookie mistakes?
He's a rookie.

Did he make it up? Maybe, and maybe his handlers and speech writers made it up. Maybe Michelle made it up. Maybe he didn't even mean it.

His every utterance won't be gold, sad to say, folks.

May I quote, please, Dick Deadeye:

"He means well, but he don't know."

That, ladies and gents, is B Obama.

In a nutshell. In his defense, it is early yet. How about we give him a hundred days, eh?

Oh, sorry, not a web site where Christian charity is a standard. Sorry I bothered. Thus, scratch all above, and take from me this nickel.

Then

Rent A Clue.

DR
 
He's a rookie.

Did he make it up? Maybe, and maybe his handlers and speech writers made it up. Maybe Michelle made it up. Maybe he didn't even mean it.

His every utterance won't be gold, sad to say, folks.

May I quote, please, Dick Deadeye:

"He means well, but he don't know."

That, ladies and gents, is B Obama.

In a nutshell. In his defense, it is early yet. How about we give him a hundred days, eh?
Oh, sorry, not a web site where Christian charity is a standard. Sorry I bothered. Thus, scratch all above, and take from me this nickel.

Then

Rent A Clue.

DR

Well things are piling up so he had better hope that the next 60 days go a lot smoother. This idea that 20 billion dollars of infrastructure spending that MAY require heavy equipment translates to Caterpillar selling enough to the government or private construction companies that own their own equipment to cause the re-hiring of laid-off Caterpillar employees means Obama does not have the information needed to make these statements. Construction lay-offs have been massive and that means there is also a massive amount of existing heavy equipment not being used. So to add to your last snark, maybe Obama needs to rent a clue when it comes to promising things before he embarrasses himself again.
 
C'mon, folks. President Obama is just showing how he too can put lipstick on a pig, or should I say caterpillar.
 
Bumpity-bump.

Caterpillar's big bet on the U.S. economy

(Reuters) - It hasn't been long since Caterpillar Inc (CAT.N) looked like the typical resident of the Rust Belt. Having misjudged how deep the U.S. economy would decline, the world's largest maker of construction machinery reduced its workforce by 33,000 people worldwide in 2009, closed plants and posted lower profits.

But the Peoria, Illinois-based company has mounted a quick recovery and is emerging as the poster child for America's manufacturing renaissance.

In 24 months, 15 Caterpillar facilities have been built or updated in the United States, tens of thousands of workers have been added to the payroll and $2 billion is committed for capital investments on its home soil this year.

"We haven't seen Caterpillar doing this much building in the United States since probably the 1960s," said Peter Holt, owner of the Holt Caterpillar dealership in San Antonio. Caterpillar is building a $200 million plant two hours southeast of his store, in Victoria, Texas, that is slated to start churning out badly needed excavators later this summer.

Underpinning Caterpillar's U.S. momentum is a flood of demand by heavy equipment users in America - ranging from construction companies to oil drillers to cement producers - who are looking to replace aging machines now that the economy is improving and credit is easier to obtain.
 
So, what you are saying is that, despite the jeering that took place in this thread, Obama's prediction actually came true and within the term in which he made it?

Man, what a rookie mistake.

Well, it is three years later, eventually this was going to come true right? I find it a bit dishonest to just assume this is the result of the policy cited in the OP directly (and not just the result of the economy improving for other reasons).

if I say "the sun will go red giant and kill us all" eventually I will be right. That doesn't mean I wasn't talking out of my arse when I said it.
 
It was also a bit dishonest to expect immediate results. Three years is a tad long, but not unreasonable for this kind of thing. It's not like it happened long after Obama left office and he's claiming credit for what his successor accomplished.
 

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