Did I beat kevin lowe to the punch?

Yes you did, but it was unfair of you to do research while he was sleeping. You fight dirty, Manfred!
 
ManfredVonRichthoffen said:
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Uh, that thing's based on a friggin' blog for a source, dude. And the whole site is so slathered with rabid Bush hatred I'm a little surprised you take it seriously. It seems likely Feeney's office is silent because they have no earthly idea what this schtick is about.

At the very least, how about a 48% ... er, 48-hour ruling? :)
 
Well, it's a signed affidavit, with names and all that.

Either this is something very suspicious, or there's a severe nut case in the neighborhood.


Of course, there are a lot of severe nut cases in the world.
 
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Jocko said:
Uh, that thing's based on a friggin' blog for a source, dude. And the whole site is so slathered with rabid Bush hatred I'm a little surprised you take it seriously. It seems likely Feeney's office is silent because they have no earthly idea what this schtick is about.

At the very least, how about a 48% ... er, 48-hour ruling? :)
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Actaully, I think the accusations of fraud in this election, especially without any proof, is a distraction from very real and important concerns about the paperless electronic machines.

I was just screwing around.
 
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ManfredVonRichthoffen said:
Actaully, I think the accusations of fraud in this election, especially without any proof, is a distraction from very real and important concerns about the paperless electronic machines.

I was just screwing around.
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I had been holding off on this particular issue because it looked dodgy. Normally I have an opinion at least on these kinds of things but I honestly have no idea what to make of this.

At good old www.blackboxvoting.org Bev Harris has a laundry list of oddities and unanswered questions about the whole story that do look troubling. Then again, that could conceivably be sour grapes. The guy making the accusations seems to have a credible history, and unless there's something about the legal system I don't know he's putting himself in the way of a perjury charge if it's proven he's talking rubbish. I suppose it's possible that he's spreading misinformation for the theoretical bad guys on the understanding that they won't press charges, but that would be a bit of a giveaway in itself.

I give up. I'll wait and see.
 
I would say if Bev Harris posted the actual numbers, and it turned out that the exit polls were only inaccurate in districts where the diebold machines were used, then she'd get some attention. I'd like some hard evidence.

But because the possibility to cheat is there, someone will eventually use it. That is why the machines must be taken out of use. Or everyone in those districts should vote absentee.
 
ManfredVonRichthoffen said:
But because the possibility to cheat is there, someone will eventually use it. That is why the machines must be taken out of use. Or everyone in those districts should vote absentee.
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Absentee has it's own bevy of problems. I know a guy who traveled to retirement homes in Wisconsin (along w/ other Kerry supporters) to "help" old codgers who no longer remembered their own names fill out their absentee ballots. As far as I know, he didn't actually commit fraud by filling in the ballot, but you can see the potential there. The whole thing was pretty shady.
 
WildCat said:

..."help" old codgers who no longer remembered their own names fill out their absentee ballots. As far as I know, he didn't actually commit fraud by filling in the ballot, but you can see the potential there.
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"Get out the demented vote!"


The outcome of the 2000 U.S. presidential election was determined by 537 votes in Florida, a state with at least 280,000 demented older adults. Next month, voters in 19 so-called "battleground" states will determine who will ascend to the highest office in the land. Could small numbers of demented elderly swing the election in favor of one candidate or the other?
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Think about it. On the one hand, we've a certain percentage of scientifically-trained public; always skeptical of appeals to supernatural events to explain natural phenomena, authoritarian pronouncements lacking any empirical support or the manipulation of scientific data to further ideological agendas.

On the other...


So the question really turns out to be not whether moderately or even severely demented people vote more frequently than everyone else. Obviously, they now do. The real question we ought to be asking ourselves is: How soon does Jack Kevorkian get parole?
 
Speaking of absentee votes and of beating Kevin to the punch:

There is a new study of Ohio ballots which, if correct, would seem to offer a strong indication of election fraud. Werner Lange reports that he looked over the precinct poll books for 5 communities in Trumbull County, Ohio, and found that in many of them there were more absentee votes counted than there were absentee voters listed.

Lange is a political activist who was looking for this kind of discrepancy, and his report is (so far) available mainly on activist sites. I am curious to see how it stands up to scrutiny.

The report is available several places, but this is the one where his columns of figures looked most readable to me:"STUFFING THE BALLOT BOX IN TRUMBULL COUNTY"
A careful review of the absentee vote in one Ohio county revealed that many more absentee votes were cast than there were absentee voters identified.

All absentee voters must be identified as such by name and residence in the precinct poll books of the precinct in which they are registered. Over 100 precinct poll books in Trumbull County were checked for absentee voters and that number of actual absentee voters was compared to the certified number of absentee votes. There was an inflated difference in nearly every precinct of the five communities examined...

The 106 precincts of these five Ohio communities ... netted a total of 580 absentee votes for which there were no absentee voters identified in the poll books.

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Absentee voters, like any other registered voters, must have their name and address appear in the poll book of the precinct in which they reside and vote.

No legitimate absentee ballot can be cast without the name of the registered absentee voter appearing in the precinct poll book.

The number of absentee votes counted and certified appears in column one... If there is a higher number in column one than in column four – as happened in nearly every precinct examined – then there must have been more absentee votes cast than there were absentee voters identified in the poll books. This glaring discrepancy cries out for an explanation and investigation.
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That sounds pretty straightforward. The published report includes the figures he copied out of the precinct poll books and these do seem to back up his assertion. I am not knowledgeable enough about the procedures involved to know if there is an innocent explanation for this seeming discrepancy, but I assume we will find out soon.

Lange notes that he was prevented from discovering this sooner because of Kenneth Blackwell's orders barring the inspection of the poll books prior to certification of the vote.
 
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