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Did Bush just raise oil prices even higher?

SteveGrenard

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Has President Bush has succeeded in making his final effort to raise oil prices
and line the pockets of his friends an astounding success, beyond his wildest dreams?

What better way to piss off the Saudis then to visit and praise Israel followed by harsh criticism of the Arabs, warranted or not. For the last 7 years Bush has played footsie with the Saudis but now he suddenly decides to do this?


Bush lectures Arab world on political reform

By TERENCE HUNT – 1 hour ago

SHARM EL-SHEIK, Egypt (AP) — President Bush lectured the Arab world Sunday about everything from political repression to the denial of women's rights but ran into Palestinian complaints he is favoring Israel in stalled Mideast peace talks. "Freedom and peace are within your grasp," Bush said despite scant signs of progress.

Winding up a five-day trip to the region, Bush took a strikingly tougher tone with Arab nations than he did with Israel in a speech Thursday to the Knesset. Israel received effusive praise from the president while Arab nations heard a litany of U.S. criticisms mixed with some compliments.


Just as planned?

Bush headed back to Washington with little to show for the trip. Saudi Arabia rebuffed his plea for help with soaring oil prices, Egypt's leader questioned his seriousness about peacemaking and there was not enough progress in the peace talks to warrant a three-way meeting of Bush with Israeli and Palestinian leaders.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hkf--m78S6F3LZAcz4sVHGGCQSTgD90O4VK01
 
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Bush lost my car keys too. I've been looking for them for over an hour and I can't find them. I just know it's also part of his plan to help his wealthy friends.
 
Bush lost my car keys too. I've been looking for them for over an hour and I can't find them. I just know it's also part of his plan to help his wealthy friends.

If Bush had campaigned on his ability to find your keys, this would be funnier. However, given that a huge part of his 2000 campaign was that he had connections in the oil industry and would use them to convince the Saudis to "open the spigots" to combat high oil prices, his absolute failure in this regard is notable.

Another one of his BS promises, right up there with the "my administration will not only do what is legal, but what is right..." nonsense.
 
Bush lost my car keys too. I've been looking for them for over an hour and I can't find them. I just know it's also part of his plan to help his wealthy friends.

Well since Bush has been in office the price of gasoline has continued to rise causing you to subconsciously hide your car keys to save money. So see technically it could be his fault. And by the time you find your keys to drive to the gas station gas will have risen another ten cents a gallon thus helping his rich friends.

He's evil I tell you.

EVIL
 
Bush not only has numerous "friends" in the oil business to whom he is beholden, he WAS in the business himself and had much to beholden those involved with him as well. This snippet is from a website called "Famous Texans.":

http://www.famoustexans.com/georgewbush.htm

In the West Texas energy business, George W. Bush started out researching who owned mineral rights. He later traded mineral and royalty interests and invested in drilling prospects. He had started his own oil and gas company by 1978, taking $17,000 from his education trust fund to set up Arbusto Energy (arbusto means Bush in Spanish). The company fell on hard times when oil prices fell. He made several attempts to revive the business, first by changing the company's name and later by merging with other companies. In 1983, Bush’s company was rescued from failure when Spectrum 7 Energy Corporation, a small oil firm owned by William DeWitt and Mercer Reynolds, bought it. Bush became chief executive officer. Harken Energy Corporation acquired Spectrum 7 in 1986, after Spectrum had lost $400,000. In the buyout deal, Bush and his partners were given more than $2 million worth of Harken stock for the 180-well operation. Bush became a director and was hired as a "consultant" to Harken. He received another $600,000 of Harken stock, and has been paid between $42,000 and $120,000 a year. By the spring of 1987, Harken was in need of cash. So Bush and his fellow Harken officials met with Jackson Stephens, head of Stephens, Inc., an investment bank in Little Rock, Arkansas (Stephens contributed $100,000 to the Reagan-Bush campaign in 1980 and gave another $100,000 to the Bush dinner committee in 1990.) Stephens arranged for Union Bank of Switzerland (UBS) to provide $25 million to Bush’s company in return for a stock interest in Harken. As part of the deal, Sheikh Abdullah Bakhsh, a Saudi real estate tycoon and financier, joined Harken's board as a major investor. Stephens, UBS, and Bakhsh each had ties to the infamous, scandal-ridden Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI). In 1990, Bush sold his remaining stock options and left the oil business. Writer Jack Colhoun revealed some details of that stock sale, referring to Bush by his childhood nickname “Junior”:

On June 22, 1990, George Jr. sold two-thirds of his Harken stock for $848,560-a cool 200 percent profit. The move was well timed. One week after Junior sold his stock, Harken announced a $23.2 million loss in quarterly earnings and Harken stock dropped sharply, losing 60percent of its value over the next six months. On August 2, 1990, Iraqi troops moved into Kuwait and 541,000 U.S. forces were deployed to the Gulf.
"There is substantial evidence to suggest that Bush knew Harken was in dire straits in the weeks before he sold the $848,560 of Harken stock," asserted U.S. News & World Report. The magazine noted Harken appointed Junior to a 'fairness committee' to study possible economic restructuring of the company. Junior worked closely with financial advisers from Smith Barney, Harris Upham & Company, who concluded "only drastic action could save Harken."
 
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If Bush had campaigned on his ability to find your keys, this would be funnier. However, given that a huge part of his 2000 campaign was that he had connections in the oil industry and would use them to convince the Saudis to "open the spigots" to combat high oil prices, his absolute failure in this regard is notable.

Another one of his BS promises, right up there with the "my administration will not only do what is legal, but what is right..." nonsense.

I just looked that up.

How hilarious is this in retrospect:

Bush Criticized Clinton Administration For High Gas Prices


Bush In 2000: Bush Blamed Clinton Administration For High Gas Prices; Promised "Immediate Relief" By Using His "Capital" With Saudis And Kuwaitis. "Campaigning for president in a state particularly hard-hit by high gasoline prices, Texas Gov. George W. Bush on Tuesday blamed the nation's predicament on the Clinton administration, which he said is operating without an energy policy. "This is an administration that is hoping the issue goes away,' Bush said. ... 'The vice president seems to forget who's been in office for seven years,' Bush said. 'This is an administration that has been in charge, and the price of gasoline has risen steadily since they've been in office.' Asked what he would do as president to address the price at the pump, Bush said he would confer with oil-producing allies and ask them to pump more crude. 'I would use the capital my administration will earn with the Kuwaitis or the Saudis, to convince them to open up the spigot,' Bush said. 'That's where we will get immediate relief.'" [Houston Chronicle, 6/28/00]
 
How hilarious is this in retrospect:


Quote:
Bush Criticized Clinton Administration For High Gas Prices


Bush In 2000: Bush Blamed Clinton Administration For High Gas Prices; Promised "Immediate Relief" By Using His "Capital" With Saudis And Kuwaitis. "Campaigning for president in a state particularly hard-hit by high gasoline prices, Texas Gov. George W. Bush on Tuesday blamed the nation's predicament on the Clinton administration, which he said is operating without an energy policy. "This is an administration that is hoping the issue goes away,' Bush said. ... 'The vice president seems to forget who's been in office for seven years,' Bush said. 'This is an administration that has been in charge, and the price of gasoline has risen steadily since they've been in office.' Asked what he would do as president to address the price at the pump, Bush said he would confer with oil-producing allies and ask them to pump more crude. 'I would use the capital my administration will earn with the Kuwaitis or the Saudis, to convince them to open up the spigot,' Bush said. 'That's where we will get immediate relief.'" [Houston Chronicle, 6/28/00]


At the time he said that, crude oil was about 31 bucks a barrel. Ahhh, the good ol' days.

Steve S.
 
Bush's father was also in the oil business:

After graduating from Yale, Bush moved his young family to West Texas. His father's business connections proved useful when he ventured into the oil business, starting as a sales clerk[9] with Dresser Industries,[10] a subsidiary of Brown Brothers Harriman. His father had served on the board of directors there for 22 years. Bush started the Bush-Overby Oil Development company in 1951[11] and co-founded the Zapata Petroleum Corporation, an oil company which drilled in the Permian Basin in Texas, two years later. He was named president of the Zapata Offshore Company, a subsidiary which specialized in offshore drilling, in 1954.[9] The subsidiary became independent in 1958, so Bush moved the company from Midland, Texas to Houston.[10] He continued serving as president of the company until 1964, and later chairman until 1966, but his ambitions turned political.[10] By that time, Bush had become a millionaire.[9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H.W._Bush
 
Rep. Tom Davis today: Bush is absolutely radioactive.

{Toxic.}

He went on to say McCain and the party's only chance is to distance themselves from Bush and the Bush team.
 
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Funny, I thought our European and Aussie friends would have something to say about the price of gasoline where they live. We still get it for cheap in the USA.

Maybe it's also Bush's fault that it's even more expensive elsewhere.
 
Funny, I thought our European and Aussie friends would have something to say about the price of gasoline where they live. We still get it for cheap in the USA.

Maybe it's also Bush's fault that it's even more expensive elsewhere.

Higher costs outside the U.S. can be blamed on taxes or taxes masquarading as costs.
Elsewhere on this forum someone calculated the curent cost in the U.K. at the equivalent of $11.00 per gallon. There are countries where gasoline is sold considerably less than in the U.S or at UK/Europe prices because I am told they subsidize the providers. We heavily
subsidize oil companies in the U.S. but get screwed anyway. Bush is in favor of subsidizing oil companies, why wouldn't he be? Even his father is in the oil business. What's wrong with this? American taxpayors subsidize oil companies and are paying some of their taxes to them so they can charge higher prices at the pump. What a deal.....
 
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Bush has six months left in office. What will he do next to makes things worse than he already has? He should just start packing and begin writing his memoirs or something. When you have other Republicans warning McCain to stay away from him you know there's a problem.
 
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Bush not only has numerous "friends" in the oil business to whom he is beholden, he WAS in the business himself and had much to beholden those involved with him as well.

Maybe.

But haven't you also argued that Bush have many close friends in the Arab world - especially the Saudis?

Yeah. You have.

So, why would Bush suddenly want to "piss off" his Arab friends?
 

Not only did he but his father, strike it rich in the oil biz, he was gov of Texas for gosh sakes. If you don't know what that means insofar as the oil biz is concerned I just can't explain it to you.

But haven't you also argued that Bush have many close friends in the Arab world - especially the Saudis?

Yup. Absolutely, In fact Bush himself has made these claims of his close, friendly and family ties to the Saudi royal family. There is no reason to doubt those ties now.


So, why would Bush suddenly want to "piss off" his Arab friends?

Well he did. He's not that stupid. By his own actions. He goes to Israel first to a birthday party for the country (60th) and gives a speech in the Knesset extolling Israewl's great strides and advances. He openly criticizes the Arab world around them. He then goes to Sharm el Sheik and also criticzes the Arabs. Then he goes to Saudi Arabia and begs them to release at least 800,000 bbl of oil per day to help drop the price and they refuse, telling him there is no demand so they won't up supply. What a pile by b.s. All well orchestrated to show Bush trying to get the oil released and being turned down by the Arabs.

Why did he do this? Frankly I don't know but the answer may be in the subject title of this thread. Or there may be other reasons. Floor is open to those.
 
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Why did he do this? Frankly I don't know but the answer may be in the subject title of this thread. Or there may be other reasons. Floor is open to those.

So, when it is opportune to criticize Bush for his Saudi friends, you do that.

But when it is opportune to criticize Bush for his oil friends and piss off the Saudis, you do that.

And then, leave "the floor open" for speculations.

Thus is the methodology of a conspiracy monger.
 
Bush Criticized Clinton Administration For High Gas Prices


Bush In 2000: Bush Blamed Clinton Administration For High Gas Prices; Promised "Immediate Relief" By Using His "Capital" With Saudis And Kuwaitis. "Campaigning for president in a state particularly hard-hit by high gasoline prices, Texas Gov. George W. Bush on Tuesday blamed the nation's predicament on the Clinton administration, which he said is operating without an energy policy. "This is an administration that is hoping the issue goes away,' Bush said. ... 'The vice president seems to forget who's been in office for seven years,' Bush said. 'This is an administration that has been in charge, and the price of gasoline has risen steadily since they've been in office.' Asked what he would do as president to address the price at the pump, Bush said he would confer with oil-producing allies and ask them to pump more crude. 'I would use the capital my administration will earn with the Kuwaitis or the Saudis, to convince them to open up the spigot,' Bush said. 'That's where we will get immediate relief.'" [Houston Chronicle, 6/28/00]


It just bears repeating.

I am surprised, I remembered more about it than I thought I did.
 
There's the oil business and there's the drilling business. Not the same thing. Zapata was GB1's business, not GB2's. As an oil man, he was never as able as his old man, either in actual exploration, or via his business connections. I don't think any conspiracy theories have ever been needed to explain GB2. The man is an idiot with money , surrounded by sycophants and power hungry, greedy people, mostly far smarter than he is. That's his story in a nutshell. The only mystery is why the American people would vote the man into power, not once, but twice. But then we (or a majority of us) voted for the weasel Blair, so who are we to carp?
 
So, when it is opportune to criticize Bush for his Saudi friends, you do that.

Saudi Arabia has always been at the heart for funding terrorism as well as maintaining an oppressive Sharia based legal system that is not in compliance with modern human rights standards. Yet Bush , when it was opportune for him to do so, did nothing to address these problems.

But when it is opportune to criticize Bush for his oil friends and piss off the Saudis, you do that.

With six months left to go Bush suddenly gets religion and decides to criticize the
Saudi and other Arab regimes for their support of terrorism and their oppressive laws?
There's got to me more to it than this. Why hasn't he done this for the past seven
years? Did Bush decide, for some reason, that it was opportune for him to do so now whereas he has remained mute on the subject since 2001 and before?

And then, leave "the floor open" for speculations.

Opinions of others are supposed to be revered here. Why are you censoring them by declaring they are speculations based on conspiracy thepory?

Thus is the methodology of a conspiracy monger.

The facts above speak for themselves. I don't see a conspiracy here ... I just see another
politician and crook exercising his last hurrah to see how high he can get a bbl of oil to go before he does.
 
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