Mr. Stick
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I know this lady has been discussed in this lenghty thread Diane Lazarus - Psychic Challenge 'winner' - Dishonest (which I finally finished today), but since I myself have a tendency to give up in advance if I haven't followed a thread from the beginning, I've decided to start a new one.
I saw a programme on Discovery about the Mark Green case a few days ago, featuring both Diane Lazarus and PC (?) Marcella Daly. I think the English series title was "Psychic Investigators", in Danish the series was lamely named "Psychics solves murders" !
Some of the following have been mentioned earlier, but I just want to sum up the programme (as far as I remember it). Please note that I'm retelling the story as presented in the show.
Lazarus came in contact with the case when she did a sitting with Mark's aunt, during which Mark's spirit suddenly "came through". It was stressed that the sitting was unrelated to Mark's disappearance, that Lazarus knew nothing about the case and that she didn't know anything about the town where he disappeared. The aunt objected that Mark was only missing, not dead, but Lazarus insisted that he came through from the spirit world. Among other things, she said he was killed by a blow to the back of the head, and that he was buried under water. She also said a TV show would lead to the case being solved, and she described a female police officer that worked on the case.
The sitting was taped, and this tape was later sent (by Lazarus or the aunt, I don't remember) to the investigating police force, where Marcella Daly got hold of it. Daly stated that she was impressed, because of the description of herself, and because Lazarus mentioned things which was not known to the public. Daly contacted Lazarus, who agreed to come to Birmingham. Here the two women walked through town, starting at the bar where Mark had been seen leave the night he disappeared. Lazarus (who knew nothing about Birmingham) led Daly through the route Daly knew he had taken, past the last place he had been seen by a surveillance camera, and further through town. They ended in a part of Birmingham where the police had not thought of looking, and where the trail grew cold.
Some time later Daly was invited to participate in a TV-show, where the host pushed her about the involvement of a psychic, after which Daly admitted that the psychic had not solved the case, but had "enhanced" the investigation (This situation was showed in a very short clip).
Later yet, the murderer's brother went to the police and confessed about the murder and his own involvement in getting rid of the body, which had been taking to Coventry (?) and buried under a pond. The murder had taken place in an apartment in Birmingham, exactly where Lazarus had led Daly.
On the face of it, and without a skeptical approach, this is just the kind of programme that makes people think psychics are for real. If you saw this show, and think I got something wrong or left out anything important, please feel free to clarify (which you probably would anyway
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I'd like to hear your comments, and I'll try to get back tomorrow and point out what I think is wrong in this presentation
I saw a programme on Discovery about the Mark Green case a few days ago, featuring both Diane Lazarus and PC (?) Marcella Daly. I think the English series title was "Psychic Investigators", in Danish the series was lamely named "Psychics solves murders" !
Some of the following have been mentioned earlier, but I just want to sum up the programme (as far as I remember it). Please note that I'm retelling the story as presented in the show.
Lazarus came in contact with the case when she did a sitting with Mark's aunt, during which Mark's spirit suddenly "came through". It was stressed that the sitting was unrelated to Mark's disappearance, that Lazarus knew nothing about the case and that she didn't know anything about the town where he disappeared. The aunt objected that Mark was only missing, not dead, but Lazarus insisted that he came through from the spirit world. Among other things, she said he was killed by a blow to the back of the head, and that he was buried under water. She also said a TV show would lead to the case being solved, and she described a female police officer that worked on the case.
The sitting was taped, and this tape was later sent (by Lazarus or the aunt, I don't remember) to the investigating police force, where Marcella Daly got hold of it. Daly stated that she was impressed, because of the description of herself, and because Lazarus mentioned things which was not known to the public. Daly contacted Lazarus, who agreed to come to Birmingham. Here the two women walked through town, starting at the bar where Mark had been seen leave the night he disappeared. Lazarus (who knew nothing about Birmingham) led Daly through the route Daly knew he had taken, past the last place he had been seen by a surveillance camera, and further through town. They ended in a part of Birmingham where the police had not thought of looking, and where the trail grew cold.
Some time later Daly was invited to participate in a TV-show, where the host pushed her about the involvement of a psychic, after which Daly admitted that the psychic had not solved the case, but had "enhanced" the investigation (This situation was showed in a very short clip).
Later yet, the murderer's brother went to the police and confessed about the murder and his own involvement in getting rid of the body, which had been taking to Coventry (?) and buried under a pond. The murder had taken place in an apartment in Birmingham, exactly where Lazarus had led Daly.
On the face of it, and without a skeptical approach, this is just the kind of programme that makes people think psychics are for real. If you saw this show, and think I got something wrong or left out anything important, please feel free to clarify (which you probably would anyway
)I'd like to hear your comments, and I'll try to get back tomorrow and point out what I think is wrong in this presentation
The word exactly was stressed by the narrator. I'm well aware that when psychics say they pinpoint something, you should take it with a grain of salt.